Box of Americans from Don Conkels (with pics)
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Jason_S;3608375; said:1) i would never base my opinion on anything on the opinion or experience of just one person. I take my time to search for as many opinions and experiences as possible.
2) No negative information was at all spread until you started hounding me about a side comment I made in parenthesis in my original post. And for the record, ANY TIME vieja/paratheraps are involved or Amphilophus species and we're not talking about Rapps as the source, I will always include a disclaimer such as 'assuming they're pure' and in ANY case, imo, this is a big assumption.
3) So if I know of multiple (and by multiple I mean 20+) other people that I know and trust have had a bad experience with a particular vendor, and I see someone else about to order from that vendor, then I should say nothing? (incidentally, I never told anyone that DCT is bad or that they shouldn't order from him)
Everything that cchhcc said is a summation of multiple accounts of what I've heard from many, many people who have ordered from DCT. The only thing he left out was the dubious distinction that DCT fish have of coming with lymphocystis.
Now, if things have improved then that's great, but it'll take more than just one or 2 people reporting receiving great, disease-free fish and that hybrids arent' being passed off as new species any more.
The lymph thing is a different issue, but 100% of the DC fish I've had over the years got lymph whenever they got an injury. Of course, it isn't life threatening and usually goes away, but it can get permanent and ugly.......and it's contagious and incurable.
As I said before, use good sense.
good luck with them
i have some of them on your list and they are stunners!
p.s sorry bout the hartwegi
i have a 6 inches and is a pure stunner
i have some of them on your list and they are stunners!
p.s sorry bout the hartwegi
i have a 6 inches and is a pure stunner
my 2 cents...Ive had 40+ fish from Don (possibly 2x that many), never had hybrids, never had lymph but once, and it was from a Grammodes I got from Rapps in July.
Will I buy from Jeff again? You bet. Will I buy from Don again? Yep...waiting on 4 Grammodes, 4 Argentea & 4 Salvini from him as I type...and my next order will be from Ken.
Everyone is susceptible to nature and mistakes.
As far as the "selling a hybrid as a new species"...Ive read it on here from 2 maybe 3 people, all of whom could possibly have an agenda or bone to pick. Its hard to take everything at face value on here when youve never shook someones hand and looked them eye to eye..to know what kind of person they really are, so I take it all with a grain of salt. I personally have a hard time, even on here (aside from 20 or so extremely knowledgeable members) , finding anyone that even knows who Don Conkel is, but I dont hang out in a "cichlid" circle. There arent but 5 of us on MFK from where I live.
oh...and NICE collection BadOscar. Looks like were doing about the same thing in our tanks, only you went with WAY more species than me...possibly more compatible as well.
Will I buy from Jeff again? You bet. Will I buy from Don again? Yep...waiting on 4 Grammodes, 4 Argentea & 4 Salvini from him as I type...and my next order will be from Ken.
Everyone is susceptible to nature and mistakes.
As far as the "selling a hybrid as a new species"...Ive read it on here from 2 maybe 3 people, all of whom could possibly have an agenda or bone to pick. Its hard to take everything at face value on here when youve never shook someones hand and looked them eye to eye..to know what kind of person they really are, so I take it all with a grain of salt. I personally have a hard time, even on here (aside from 20 or so extremely knowledgeable members) , finding anyone that even knows who Don Conkel is, but I dont hang out in a "cichlid" circle. There arent but 5 of us on MFK from where I live.
oh...and NICE collection BadOscar. Looks like were doing about the same thing in our tanks, only you went with WAY more species than me...possibly more compatible as well.
Can't wait to meet him at this years OCA in a few weeks. He will be speaking there too.ewok;3598506; said:
http://www.ohiocichlid.com/oca-extravaganza
cchhcc;3608731; said:
interesting...I have several questions, if you dont mind:
Did you break down and sterilize the tank and euthanize every fish when you noticed the lymph?
if not, is it possible that they got it because it was already living in the tank and attacked the flesh wounds?...or maybe it started in one tank but was spread through use of the same net in multiple tanks?
did you ever have any festae or managuensis with it?
I ask all these questions because of a conversation I had with another user on here about it and he made a good point that maybe the lymph was only present on fish that hadnt ever had to deal with it in their eco-system...basically they had no immunity to it because it had never been in their environment.
Of the people Ive talked to that have dealt with it, festae and managuensis were 2 fish that they all had that never got lymph in their tank when others did...weird .
sorry for the derail BadOscar.
Just to keep the derail short, I'm confident in my assessment of the lymph source, but I'll answer the questions above briefly.
Never had a festae of jag with it.
I always QT new fish from DC for the very reason of lymph, and I've always been a cross-contamination avoidance freak.
I have euthed fish in some cases, and I've kept others separated.
Incidentally, Don is the only person I've heard talk about collecting fish in the wild covered in lymph. Some people may have seen him speak at an ACA a while back when he referred to that. At the same time, he spoke of treated it with Jungle brand products. That struck me as odd since lymph is a virus and therefore untreatable with antibiotics, etc. Take all of that for what it's worth.
Again, it's not a big deal at the end of the day, and I wouldn't hesitate to get fish from him.
Never had a festae of jag with it.
I always QT new fish from DC for the very reason of lymph, and I've always been a cross-contamination avoidance freak.
I have euthed fish in some cases, and I've kept others separated.
Incidentally, Don is the only person I've heard talk about collecting fish in the wild covered in lymph. Some people may have seen him speak at an ACA a while back when he referred to that. At the same time, he spoke of treated it with Jungle brand products. That struck me as odd since lymph is a virus and therefore untreatable with antibiotics, etc. Take all of that for what it's worth.
Again, it's not a big deal at the end of the day, and I wouldn't hesitate to get fish from him.
cchhcc;3612616; said:
sorry if I implied differently, I wasnt doubting your knowledge of the source at all.
I was actually wondering if it was just present in the aquarium from a previous DC order and had affected fish you hadnt purchased from DC, sorry for not being clear with that...or if it was just certain species it always affected. Like I said, festae and managuensis seem to be immune and I was curious if it was because it was in their environment when wild.
BadOscar...ich is usually a cotton-ish looking formation on the fish (to me anyways). Lymph starts as little white glitterish looking dots and becomes a broccoli-ish looking growth.
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