Boy, have things changed.........

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Dan Feller;3500678; said:
Wow, that really was a terrible tragedy, but it was quite different from the more recent school shootings. The incident you linked to was an act of terrorism/mass-murder by an adult, not a case of students turning against their classmates/teachers.

I'm curious if today's schools are safer today with the "zero tolerance" stance towards weapons at school? Did they address statistics over time in your class.

I agree that our schools are a lot safer than home for many kids these days...

Sorry for the massive derail of a humorous thread, but as a 2nd/3rd grade teacher in a public school, this subject hits close to home for me!
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I am going to start going off of memory here, since I am on my gf's computer, at her apartment. All of my notes (If I even still have them) are back at my apartment.

I remember being shocked about the stats as well. If I remember correctly, right now is the safest (in relation to how many deaths in schools) then it has been since the 1980s. Let me jump on Amazon, and see if I can't find the book we used. It is definitely worth the read, and very cheap.
 
Our society is way too liberal. I totally agree with the beginning post. The reason things were better back in the day is because people were held accountable for their actions by their parents. When they grew up, they acted like good citizens. Today children are not held accountable for their actions by their parents. In fact its everyone's fault BUT the child. These children grow up to be very bad citizens who produce even worse offspring.......
 
Today's lawmakers, officials, and otherwise adult population in charge are those days children. Its not like those are lost times that no one around now had experience with.
 
krzr3000;3500723; said:
Today's lawmakers, officials, and otherwise adult population in charge are those days children. Its not like those are lost times that no one around now had experience with.
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They didn't make their children behave themselves. Just look around.
 
i am sure there was all sorts of crime back then.. you just did not hear about it ..we did not grow up hearing or being apart of violence.. we were the way kids are suppose to be.. carefree... things did happen but we did not have to fear it happening ... it was unlikely... we also never heard of divorce.. it just was not part of society ... all kids had a mother and father unless they passed away... you lived in a society where neighbors borrowed from each other .. helped each other watched each others kids.. you grew up knowing every kid on your block.. and every house on your block you knew the people who lived there.. you knew what houses gave great holloween candy... you knew everyones car on your block.. every kid had a bike.. we had great hide and seek games every night in the summer.. we all had to be home at dark.. we never worriied about guns.. or knives .. if you were going to run into a bully who wanted to pick a fight they punched and kicked.. There was always room for one or more kids at your family dinner table.. and vice versa.. it was a big deal to eat at someone else house.. or sleep over..so i quess growing up back then was better .. there was plenty of time to venture out into the real world and see that everything indeed was not perfect.. but when your a child this was an ideal way to grow up.
 
Fish Room Plus;3497766; said:

Scenario 5:

Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1957 – Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock.

2009 – The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for school drug violations His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.
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LOL this is true too. In junior high, my friend's mother gave him some tylenol to bring to school for his sore throat. The school found out and were considering expulsion for violation of the zero tolerance drug policy! Upon hearing this his very angry mother stormed into school to incredulously berate the authority figures involved.

The school insisted that the only acceptable way to give her son tylenol is to deliver the medication personally to the nurse's office along with a doctor's note. She told them if they expected her to take her son to the doctor every time he got a sore throat so satisfy their policy requirements, then they needed a reality check. Eventually after extensive arguing, they reluctantly agreed that a written and signed note from a parent was acceptable instead, but she still had to come to school to deliver the medication because her son was not allowed to possess it at any time on school grounds. She also managed to convince the school to not expel him.

After that, whenever he got sick, my friend was either sent to school without any medicine, or he got to stay home, because his mom didn't want to deal with that again.

I find the total lack of common sense on the school's part amusing. I can't imagine what goes through their head to make them thing a 14 year old can't be trusted with a small amount of tylenol. Its not like he even had a big bottle of it, just a few pills in a small baggie, only what he needed for the day, and this all happened over a decade ago. I wonder if it's gotten any worse since then...
 
my sisters boyfriend got suspended for having one empty shotgun shell in the back of his truck. my sister had her car searched and was caught with a midol. she got detention for a bottle of MIDOL!
 
I got in trouble because someone got into my gym locker got my mppsquito spray out and sprayed another kid in the eyes. I got in more trouble than the kid who did it. my mom was Pi$$ed at my principle.
 
Red Devil;3500968; said:
i am sure there was all sorts of crime back then.. you just did not hear about it ..we did not grow up hearing or being apart of violence.. we were the way kids are suppose to be.. carefree... things did happen but we did not have to fear it happening ... it was unlikely... we also never heard of divorce.. it just was not part of society ... all kids had a mother and father unless they passed away... you lived in a society where neighbors borrowed from each other .. helped each other watched each others kids.. you grew up knowing every kid on your block.. and every house on your block you knew the people who lived there.. you knew what houses gave great holloween candy... you knew everyones car on your block.. every kid had a bike.. we had great hide and seek games every night in the summer.. we all had to be home at dark.. we never worriied about guns.. or knives .. if you were going to run into a bully who wanted to pick a fight they punched and kicked.. There was always room for one or more kids at your family dinner table.. and vice versa.. it was a big deal to eat at someone else house.. or sleep over..so i quess growing up back then was better .. there was plenty of time to venture out into the real world and see that everything indeed was not perfect.. but when your a child this was an ideal way to grow up.
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You are so rigt, Liz...

But not only children. Young people had a world of opportunity. Old people were respected.

You could go anywhere, on foot, at 5 in the morning.
 
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