its shamefull how if the media puts a little pressure on the law they bend like B******. I personaly think this man is inoccent for the fact that he has called the police numerous times and never killed anyone, Why this time? And this isn't a racial thing people need to stop making it that.
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Even if he really was not up to no good, it doesnt matter IF he indeed attacked Zimmerman.
Nemisis, I hate to break it to you but physically most seventeen year olds are not "kids" by any stretch of the imagination and Martin was an example of that. Again in physical terms here. Also some one can kill you just as dead with their bare hands as they can with a weapon so the fact that Martin was unarmed is irrelevant if he was beating Zimmermans head into the sidewalk as is being claimed. Unfortunately Im all too familiar with the fact an unarmed person can kill some one with their bare hands.Ironically perhaps is that the person Im talking about was the murderer and is my brother in law. Despite the fact he really is a decent guy now, if his victim had a gun and killed my BIL I think the victim would have been in right to do so. Also my brother in law was seventeen when this happened and just got out of prison a few years ago after ten years.
well, how did we get to the point that zimmerman got wounded in the first place? Martin saw some dude in his car and knocked on the window? seriously wtf.
i feel less and less sorry for zimmerman the more you talk. grown ass man following a 17 year old (not fully mature is the point, not his physical stature) for no reason! my whole point is there never ever even should've been a situation to begin with. no one needed to die as there was never a life threatening situation until zimmerman created it
please tell me what martin could've been doing that was worth either man losing their life? was he physically harming someone? about to rape a girl? damaging someone's property? would your opinion change if zimmerman was the one that died instead? would you say martin has the right to stand his ground?
Zimmerman got out of his car and possibly confronted Martin to ask who he was and what he was up to. This is legal and Zimmerman had every right to do that just like Martin had every right to refuse to answer Zimmermans questions.
What led up to the shooting apparently was a physical altercation. Who started the altercation no one knows for sure yet. If Martin started the confrontation and indeed ended up on top of Zimmerman beating his head into the sidewalk then Zman had every right to defend himself with deadly force.
Also, in Florida, even Z put his hands on Martin first, for example his hand on Martins shoulder in a small attempt to get Martin to turn around then Zimmerman would still be protected under Florida self defense laws because Martins return of force was disproportionate to Zimmermans initial physical contact. If Z just walked up to M and shoved him to the ground demanding answers then that is a different story.
Im glad you are taking race out of it and like I said before I really respect that coming from you, however you still are focusing on Martins age and what he may or may not have been doing before the altercation took place. These facts are just as irrelevant as his race. What we need to focus on is who started the initial physical confrontation. Everything that played out before including Zimmerman pursuing Martin despite the dispatcher telling Z that he didnt NEED to was all perfectly legal and should have no bearing on the outcome of this case. It all boils down to who STARTED the physical confrontation and its plausible that Martin did. Its also plausible that Zimmerman did and who started the violent altercation is all we need to know to determine Zimmermans guilt or innocence. Period.
What led up to the shooting apparently was a physical altercation. Who started the altercation no one knows for sure yet. If Martin started the confrontation and indeed ended up on top of Zimmerman beating his head into the sidewalk then Zman had every right to defend himself with deadly force.
Also, in Florida, even Z put his hands on Martin first, for example his hand on Martins shoulder in a small attempt to get Martin to turn around then Zimmerman would still be protected under Florida self defense laws because Martins return of force was disproportionate to Zimmermans initial physical contact. If Z just walked up to M and shoved him to the ground demanding answers then that is a different story.
Im glad you are taking race out of it and like I said before I really respect that coming from you, however you still are focusing on Martins age and what he may or may not have been doing before the altercation took place. These facts are just as irrelevant as his race. What we need to focus on is who started the initial physical confrontation. Everything that played out before including Zimmerman pursuing Martin despite the dispatcher telling Z that he didnt NEED to was all perfectly legal and should have no bearing on the outcome of this case. It all boils down to who STARTED the physical confrontation and its plausible that Martin did. Its also plausible that Zimmerman did and who started the violent altercation is all we need to know to determine Zimmermans guilt or innocence. Period.
Zimmerman's story goes that Martin tackled him, broke his nose and bounced his head off the sidewalk. Assuming thats true, put yourself in his position. If you had a younger, more agile, stronger, in shape person on top if you and you were one head bounce away from death ( either from the impact or having your gun used against you), you wouldn't react with whatever means you have available to you for fear of "being a sissy"? A police officer wouldn't be in that position, because they have more tools available to them. If Zimmerman had been a police officer, Martin would have been tazed, pepper sprayed (or both), and then arrested. Unfortunately, civilians don't carry around what police officers do. When you tangle with an average Joe, you should expect this kind of thing. You never know who has what. I feel bad for Martin because, like all teenage boys, he thought he was invincible. Obviously, he found out the hard way. Tons of people don't make it through their teenage years because of their own bad decisions. This is just another case. It could have been him crashing his car at 150 on the highway. Instead it was a miss judged physical altercation. Reading what I could about the kid, he has been on a rip since puberty with a few semi-major offenses under his belt already. The way I see it, he has been messing with bulls for a little while now. He messed with the wrong one and got the horns. It was just a matter of time.
Im sorry but if I was walking home and someone stopped me to ask me what I was doing around that neighborhood, I would fell like I was being profiled and probably tell them to f-off. You are right its not illegal to pursue someone or confront them but that is out of the confines of a neighborhood "Watch". If M was begging for helpbefore the shot like on the tape how could that be self defense? Z always had the option to run.
If you listen to the 911 tape, it ends with : Zimmerman -" have the police call me when they get here, I'll tell them where I am". That means, to me, that he was just following him to see where he went so he could tell the police where to find him. Nothing wrong with that, and well within the expectations of a neighborhood watch. Thats exactly what he is there for.
Its bs, george is innocent...on the news they put trayvon martins baby pics and **** to make people feel sorry for him and what not
And youd have the right to respond that way. You DONT have the right to attempt to beat that person up. Out of the confines of the neighborhood watch? Lets not forget that what rules the neighborhood watch have has no legal binding and again is irrelevant. For example, a gas station attendant may shoot a robber. His employee may not allow guns and the he may be fired but he cant be charged with a crime for breaking the "rules."
As for the begging for help part on the tape, no one can say for sure it was Martin his parents did and the "expert analysis" said that it was only a forty five percent chance it was Zimmerman, both of these points are not admissible in court. Could it be the calls for help were after he was shot?
Yes watching him/calling it in but to get out the car following someone and confronting them is beyond a neighborhood watch. You never know how someone will react when you confront them, which is why you leave something like that to the professionals.
