Bye, Bye, Sveni :( :)

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I don't think he's gonna make it :(

I couldn't tell how bad it was until I decided to take a risk and try to look at it closer. I grabbed it and looked and it has 2 holes that go into his cranial cavity. I'm not sure who could have done it. The holes are too big for my tat to have done it and I don't think it could open its mouth enough to. It's a lot worse than I thought. He started laying on his side some. Right now, its leaning against the divider pretty much upright and I put an oxygen stone right under it's mouth. I also added some more salt, pimafix and melafix, as well as some synthetic slime coat (Nov-Aqua). I think I'm going to be sick as I don't think he will make it through the night. I feel like I don't deserve to keep any more of these beautiful fish.

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I checked him 10 minutes ago and he seemed to be doing a little better, but I just found him dead. His color changed some and he's not gilling anymore. I put him in the freezer and will look at him more closely when I have time. I'll probably cut him up some to get a better look, too.

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Oh, yeah, and I had to put my unknown pike in my 40 because I needed to hospitalize my juruense and the marbled goby ate it. Damn my luck and myself. No more fish for me till I can take better care of the ones I have.
 
ouch sorry man that sucks it looks like some kind of flesh eating bacteria

also sorry about the other pike was it the one that people thought was a venezuela
 
Don't get that down on yourself. You take very good care of your fish. These types of things happen to even the most experienced fish keepers
 
Thanks, everyone. I don't see how anyone could have beat it up like that and whatever it is, it looks a lot worse than HITH. I didn't act quickly enough, but I'm not sure there was anything I could have done. I'm going to pull it out of the freezer and look at it some more. It seemed to have negated some of its brain functions as I only saw it go after food once and it was very inactive, which was a complete turn-around from when I first put it in the tank. He also barely tried to get away from me when I picked him up and didn't move while I was putting the oxygen stone under his head.

killerfish;1848583; said:
ouch sorry man that sucks it looks like some kind of flesh eating bacteria

also sorry about the other pike was it the one that people thought was a venezuela
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yep. I am either going to get rid of one or two of my others and get another "ven". It was only $4 and I'm sure they have some more.
 
Angler;1848941; said:
Vens grow so fast, you may as well buy a nice big one!
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oh, yeah...forgot about yours :ROFL: any interest in a bellycrawler or lucius? :ROFL:
 
Man...when it rains it pours:( Sorry to hear about both your pikes. I commented on the flesh wounds in your other thread.
 
GAH!!!! That looks like attack wounds, or bashing itself badly. List its tankmates, maybe we can narrow it down. I don't remember seeing the wounds when you bought it. HITH doesn't progress that quickly either, and the holes are more 'clean' so to say. Those look ragid, like they are torn or something.

Either way, that really sucks man!! Chin up though, it happens to the best of us. I lost ALL my pikes (15 + ) in the move here. You just gotta pick yourself up and start over.

Perhaps plan a little better though. Forget all other fish, just keep pikes! :D
 
Not a wound but a disease. What you are seeing is HITH caused by a pathogen, Hexamita.

Most HITH is not actually a disease but rather a symptom of poor diet, stress, poor water quality, etc. Sort of like you get a rash if your skin is irritated. The surface skin simply deteriorates exsposing the underlying flesh. It's not pretty but rarely is it immediately life threatening. Take away the irritant and the symptom at the very least stops progression if not gets better. Other than that there is no treatment.

HITH that is actually caused by a pathogen such as what was seen on this pike is quite rare and is mostly restricted to wild caught fish. I've never seen it on pikes before but it is relatively common with Apistos and wild caught discus. The downside is that once contracted, treatment is nearly impossible as the recommended meds work best if ingested and typically the fish have already stopped eating. It is almost always fatal.

When it first starts it is nothing more than a discolored area on the skin. Then it moves into a stage where it looks like the flesh under the skin is being pushed out through a small hole. As it progresses it eats away the skin creating large pits which will continue into the cranium. As you noticed, it progresses very quickly!

Let me do some research and I'll post what I find.

Sorry for your loss... that was one nice fish. :(
 
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