CB F1 Pearl/Leo hybrid pups AMAZING

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nickdog98;1094226; said:
Whew!!! Thanks for the reassurance... What do you guys think about these Pearl/Leo pups by Wasan in Thailand.. Mom is the pearl dad is the leo..

those puppies are just some higher graded motoro, not even a blood of leos...


Regards
 
Alex.P;1093914; said:
I will tell you once more that ray in the pic is not a pearl/leo, just some type of mantilla by the looks of it. They are distinctly different, the pups turn out black with yellow markings. Not my cup of tea, i prefer true leos, with a jet black base and blinding white spots. None the less the pearl/leos are the rays to have at the moment just behind galaxy P14s, and they are very rare and beautiful.

Here is an adult one http://www.amazonas-rochen.de/rochen/hybriden.html . He has already bred his pearl/leo with another leo. I'm waiting to find out what they look like. If it turns out that the spots get brighter and the base gets blacker i will be the first person to put my order in for one.


Totally agree with you Alex.P



Regards
 
Hello,

I´ve seen Pearl/Leo hybrids like these on the pictures from "wasanbettas" too, there where two batches, one from leo/pearl and one pearl/leo some looked like nearly motoro/pearl and some more like leopoldi.
And these were from the same parents from the ray that Alex.P did post !

So Alex.P your extremly wrong with that, that every Leo/pearl hybrid hast to look the same !!!
 
AlexG;1095091; said:
Hello,

I´ve seen Pearl/Leo hybrids like these on the pictures from "wasanbettas" too, there where two batches, one from leo/pearl and one pearl/leo some looked like nearly motoro/pearl and some more like leopoldi.
And these were from the same parents from the ray that Alex.P did post !

So Alex.P your extremly wrong with that, that every Leo/pearl hybrid hast to look the same !!!

All the pearl/leo hybrids i have seen look exactly like the ones i have and ones in the link, these other rays to me do not look like pearl/leo hybrids buts that just my opinion. How do you know there real? I know mine are real cause i breed them whats makes your so certain? Also if you go to aquabid the same pups are posted as pearls and there not pearls thats for sure.
 
Not saying that you are wrong Alex, as i know you have seen a lot more rays than i have, but i'm pretty sure that pearl/leos generally look like CSX's.

If you are going to prove me wrong i would like some proof and i will happily except it if i'm wrong.

I'm always willing to learn from others, but for now i will stay stuborn and say those rays wansanbettas is selling are either nice motoros or pearl/motoros.

I'm sure if CSX ever gets any like that he can mark them down, but for now at least all the rays from his batch are going to turn out amazing.

This wansanbettas guy, is BSer. Look at this ray he is selling as a blackdiamond http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwstringray&1188978609 It is clearly a leo/henlei http://www.potamotrygon-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=484 .

At least i think so, but i'm sure gold ocean aqua can tell us for sure.

BTW make sure you look through the whole german link, his tank is on the second page :D .
 
I have a question......, since we have been talking a lot about wild hybrids and captive breed hybrids...., I was wondering if anyone has imported any rays that have looked like either of these......, especially the ones alex P. and mix have /are referring to..... Just out of curiosity..., doesnt prove anything...
 
No there haven't because they come from different river systems. There have been P14/pearl supposidly, but i think they were just good looking P14s. I will dig out a picture for you if you like

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YEAH...., THE MORE PICS THE BETTER....

THATS A PRETTY INTERESTING RAY....., NEVER REALLY SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS.....
 
Hello,

I mean there are so many things we don´t know, but but fore sure that in one hybrid batch can be different looking pups.

But how and why, not a real Idea.
I´ve seen that on Henlei/Pearl (half batch pearl, half batch hybrids) and on Motoro/Leopoldi (3 hybrids-look, 1 motoro look), Motoro x Xingu (1 hybrid look, two motoro look).
If hybrid is mixed with another ray then EVERY pup of the batch can look different.

And what I´m not sure for is that for example one batch is half hybrid-look and half like one part of the parents. So are the half 100% pure non-hybrids if of that kind a male was in the tank too?!
So can a female safe sperm from two different males?
Ofcourse u can see that at some pups, for example Leo/motoro and Xingu/motoro, the Pups which looks "nearly" like motoro you can see that they are not 100% pure Motoro.

I agree that these on Aquabid are 1.overprized and 2. overgraded.
But I wouldn´t say for sure that these are NOT Leo/Pearl.

About that P14 Alex.P did post, as much as I know Pearl and P14 come from the same River, or not?!
 
About that P14 Alex.P did post, as much as I know Pearl and P14 come from the same River, or not?![/quote]

THATS WHAT I THOUGHT..... HAS ANYONE EVER IMPORTED ANYTHING LIKE THAT???
 
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