Chemical Filtration..is it really neccesary?

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Here is may take on this just to clarify everything in this whole post because alot of things are being thrown at you and at some points it seems you are missunderstanding the concepts which is normal for someone new to the hobby.

Mechanical= all types of "media" that work like a strainer, in that they physically run water through them and trap particles that are larger than the pores of the "media" the most common form of this is foam or sponge. What sponge to use? its up to you and no one can give you a real awnser because on one hand the finer pores will catch more particles but the catch is they will clog faster. the bigger pores will not clog as often but only because they catch less. However for a turtle i would reccomend that you would want a sponge that is either turtle specific or the largest pored version avaliable for fish.

Bio media= Anything that has a large surface area to size ratio that can grow bacteria. All it is "realestate" for benifitial bacteria. The more suface area you have (created by type of a media and number of media) the more bacteria you can grow which allows more prossessing of waste. Generally the rule is more is better because having too much doesnt cause any problems.

The "Mr Cleaner" I would assume to be a gravel vac which is used to get suction down to the gravel and litterally lift waste out of it being it is much lighter than the gravel. In my opinnion this is a must have as i would use it for evey water change.

on the filtering if i were you i would try to keep it simple as this will allow you to be able to figure out what works and what doesnt. I mean were not purifying uranium here. its just water. I would just use a sponge to take care of the mechanical and if you want follow it up with a slightly smaller pore sponge to caatch anything that passes through the first (this will help to clean more and clog less by doing multi stage) then i would just cap it off with lots of bio media. As far as "not packing to tight" i wouldnt worry to much if your using store bought media as it will always sit in way that allows water to pass by but it is important to enssure water flow throughout. As far as the rest of the stuff like mico pads and fancy named *Expensive* products i would just leave them out in your case because a turtle is much different in needs and waste produced than most fish...other then maybe an oscar :ROFL:

I hope this helped clarify a bit
 
Oh and one last thing to clean just wash off foam or sponge media when you notice a flow drop. you will figure it out as time goes by just by trial and error. As far as cleaning the bio i would just leave it. If it get really bad clean some under running water but not all of it so you still have remaining bacteria; after a few times of this process you will be able to clean it up without destroying your bacteria.
 
Fish Eat Fish;1177804; said:
Bio media= Anything that has a large surface area to size ratio that can grow bacteria. All it is "realestate" for benifitial bacteria. The more suface area you have (created by type of a media and number of media) the more bacteria you can grow which allows more prossessing of waste. Generally the rule is more is better because having too much doesnt cause any problems.\

thanks you fish eat fish.
you cleared alot of my media questions up!

but one thing..when you say the more surface area..do you mean in the aquarium, or in the canister filter? can I literally PACK a filterbasket with bio media?
 
I mean surface area of the bio media itself. For example bioballs (below)
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Are 100% to maximize surface area. Think of a ping pong ball, its surface area only runs on the outside of its shell. Bioballs on the other hand have the combined surface area of all of those little spikes. on those spikes grow bacteria which convert ammonia into nitrite and then nitrite into nitrate. Other surfaces will also grow the bacteria but the amount of surface area in a filter full of bioballs or other biomedia plus the constant waterflow through and around this media causes it to do the majority of the work. Some bacteria will grow in gravel or on filter walls but they contribute very little in comparison to a large bio media filter area.
 
Ok thanks! I'll try to put as much biological filtration I can in each basket!
 
Hey I researched that chemical media absorbs chemicals like de-chorinators and fish medication but..once it takes it in, will it distribute the chemicals?(or is it LOCKED-ON to the chemical media?)

also it told me that it helps to take out discoloration in tanks..
i looked up the word discoloration and this is what came up....
1.the act or fact of discoloring or the state of being discolored. 2.a discolored marking or area; stain.

What does this mean? I mean water is clear..how can it be discolored?
my tank turns whitish after my turtle does his business but will carbon take this color out?
 
Is that your turtle in your avatar? He's cute! He must be a really lucky turtle to have an owner that cares enough to ask all these questions for him!
 
After agonizing over this issue, I stopped using carbon two years ago and have never experienced either a detectable change in water chemistry or a problem with the health of my Dats. For me, the loss a carbon has been quite satsifying, both from tangible and theoretical perspectives. First, eliminating carbon means that there is now approx. 1/3 more volume available for biological media inside my canister filters. Theoretically, I believe that all of the various organic contaminants which were previously adsorbed by the carbon actually serve as a carbon source for the bacteria, fueling their metabolism. My tanks smell "earthy", rather than fishy or polluted. I use foam pads and Ehfisubstrat Pro exclusively in my XP3s and FX5s.
 
Pufferpunk;1183316; said:
Is that your turtle in your avatar? He's cute! He must be a really lucky turtle to have an owner that cares enough to ask all these questions for him!

I think I'm asking way too much questions about them..
i don't know if he's a lucky turtle..
i'm sure i'm atleast better than the last owner though..
his shell is all messed up from not getting any artificial UVB & sunlight.
and he was thrown away in mercury contaminated water..

i've spent $550 on this guy already and plan on spending another $250..
I totally did not expect a pet turtle 2months ago.lol He's great though!
 
JEAE21;1183189; said:
Hey I researched that chemical media absorbs chemicals like de-chorinators and fish medication but..once it takes it in, will it distribute the chemicals?(or is it LOCKED-ON to the chemical media?)

also it told me that it helps to take out discoloration in tanks..
i looked up the word discoloration and this is what came up....
1.the act or fact of discoloring or the state of being discolored. 2.a discolored marking or area; stain.

What does this mean? I mean water is clear..how can it be discolored?
my tank turns whitish after my turtle does his business but will carbon take this color out?

Some types of chemical filtration do breakdown eventually after reaching saturation point, activated carbon is one, but it takes a long time before this occurs. As for removing discoloration, it depends on the media and the cause of the stain, tannin is absorbed and neutralized by baked lime, carbon tends to remove the reddish brown caused by high iron levels, etc.
 
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