choker chains on dogs?

[Zander_The_RBP]

choke collers are incredibly inhumane IMO but the pinch collers are fine. pinch collers are just really uncomfortable for the dog when it pulls so it learns not to.

still i'd never use one. with my dog we used a halti (or however its spelt) which literaly makes them unable to really pull you and its not uncomfortable for the dog at all.

 

[mgk]

But the dog doesn't always stop just because you jerk the chain. So what do you do when it doesn't stop pulling, just drop the leash and hope the dog doesn't get hit by a car?

if the dog doesn't stop its a fixation(mental) problem, that needs special training and shouldn't be out in public yet.

most normal dogs would stop. there is some responsibility of the owner to use it correctly, just like with pet nail clippers.

i think if you have to continually use it, your doing something wrong.

 

[k.tran]

SO not cool to use that on your dog man best friend not mans best ***** :]
thats so random to put on a fish website btw :O

Wait, I thought we were using these on our fish!

 

[LRM]

But the dog doesn't always stop just because you jerk the chain. So what do you do when it doesn't stop pulling, just drop the leash and hope the dog doesn't get hit by a car?

It may not stop the first time but you aren't relying on the collar to stop the behavior, you are relying on the collar to help you remind the dog that you are there.

Example: You are socializing your German Shepherd who is 8mo old. You are taking him for a walk through an area that will have distractions because at this point in his training you trust he is ready for this. While on the walk you go past a yard with a dog on a chain and when it sees your dog it starts barking and pulling towards you and your shepherd.

This excites your dog and he begins to bark and pull and lunge in the direction of the chained dog. He doesnt respond to verbal commands, is fixated on the other dog and is getting to an excitement level that is not acceptable anywhere, especially in public. This needs correction because just trying to walk away from this does not teach the dog that this isn't acceptable and it can lead to dangerous situations down the road.

Here is where you're glad to have that tool. You shorten the leash if you have not already, snap your wrist like you're flicking water out of a paint brush and the pinch/choke acts as a distraction to remind the dog that you are there. You use it to reinforce your verbal command and clear the fog of excitement. Now you can show your dog the correct behavior and rinse & repeat. You didn't play tug of war with a dog that is getting stronger each day and you didn't allow the behavior to continue. You safely used a training tool to correct a problem behavior that could have serious medical and legal repercussions down the road

 

[Bottomfeeder]

Well the last time I used a regular collar on my 13 m/o Italian Greyhound/Fox Terrier, he shook the collar and took of down the street and I had to tackle him to the ground to stop him (he can run) so...

 

[Red Devil]

the pinch collars scare me. im always afraid that if i yank or something it will hurt the dog. id much prefer the standard chain collar.

i would only use it if i felt comfortable and had some expertise in using it.. i am by no means an expert on training... but i do feel comfortable using it to help my dog reach a higher level of discipline.. i was shown the proper way to use it by an experienced person... as with anything.. i think this makes all the difference in how we judge the pinch collar and chain collar..and everyone is entitled to their own method and what feels comfortable to them.. the bottom line is to acheive a non pulling dog at the end of the leash..for your safety and his...

 

[Red Devil]

It may not stop the first time but you aren't relying on the collar to stop the behavior, you are relying on the collar to help you remind the dog that you are there.

Example: You are socializing your German Shepherd who is 8mo old. You are taking him for a walk through an area that will have distractions because at this point in his training you trust he is ready for this. While on the walk you go past a yard with a dog on a chain and when it sees your dog it starts barking and pulling towards you and your shepherd.

This excites your dog and he begins to bark and pull and lunge in the direction of the chained dog. He doesnt respond to verbal commands, is fixated on the other dog and is getting to an excitement level that is not acceptable anywhere, especially in public. This needs correction because just trying to walk away from this does not teach the dog that this isn't acceptable and it can lead to dangerous situations down the road.

Here is where you're glad to have that tool. You shorten the leash if you have not already, snap your wrist like you're flicking water out of a paint brush and the pinch/choke acts as a distraction to remind the dog that you are there. You use it to reinforce your verbal command and clear the fog of excitement. Now you can show your dog the correct behavior and rinse & repeat. You didn't play tug of war with a dog that is getting stronger each day and you didn't allow the behavior to continue. You safely used a training tool to correct a problem behavior that could have serious medical and legal repercussions down the road

and to me this is why it is major important.. i want my dog to live to a ripe old age.... so a little discomfort and discipline now means i am giving him the best chance at a long life...

 

[Dan F]

My mom has raised Great Pyrenees for about thirty years. She runs the local Pyrenees Rescue program in conjunction with the Humane Society. She ran the local Dog 4-H club for many years. She is as conscientious of a dog owner as there is out there.

She uses pinch collars for training and choke collars for walking. These dogs have an incredible mane of hair around the neck and a lot of loose, thick skin as well, an adaptation bred into them to aid in fighting off wolves to protect the flock, their original purpose. The pinch collar just barely gets their attention and the choke chain is a necessity to keep them on a leash as their neck is thicker than their head.

Of course, using a pinch collar on a short-haired, thin skinned dog could be iffy, you would definitely have to be careful.

Choke chains are actually quite comfortable for any well-trained dog - they hang loosely around the dog's neck when not being pulled on.

Any collar will hurt a dog with the wrong person holding onto it - likewise, pinch and choke collars are designed for people who care about dogs - they certainly aren't instruments of torture.

 

[cichlid2006]

search up shutzhund and ask your auntie if she does that. and if she does i need to contact her cause she must be the best in the world w/o using pinch collars.

ive searched and found something which basically describes police dog training. if i found the right thing then they use regular choke chains (more because they slip off easily rather than the training benefits) in this country for training dogs in that particular line of work. not a pinch in sight.
a programme following the training of a bunch of potential police dogs was on the tv not so long ago, cant remember the name but if you can find it (possibly on youtube?) you will notice no pinch collars.
not my aunties thing, basic obedience if people needed help and show training only. they sold to the local police occasionally.

 

[bullwinkle]

Prong collars are better than choke chains. When I hear "choke chain" I think of two thing:

- inexperienced dog owners
- show dogs

Show dogs are kept on choke chains. Look closely.

Prong collars are better because they are LIMITED CHOKE. It's fine for dog show ppl to use choke chains because they know how. Your average dog owner has no idea how to use a choke chain.

Prong collars may seem more "violent" or whatever but they are actually safer than flat "choke" chains.

Used PROPERLY, choke chains and/of prong chains are very effective. If you would ike to learn more about these methods (using them correctly) then I suggest you do a search on

Leerburg.com

There are tutorials (both picture-only and video tutorials) about how to use chains on dogs. Great site.