Cichlid Line Bred vs. Hybrid

[Toby_H]

I'm sorry, but you are wrong on so many levels.

As long as it's a friendly conversation, I'd love to hear your corrections. Although we have probably created more of a tangent to your original topic than you would prefer.

In summary... line breeding is controlled evolution... color mutations are a genetic quirk... which makes them different categories. I may be drawing a line somewhere different than you, but that doesn't make me wrong, it means we disagree.

If discussing Albinos as an example of color mutations makes it easier than that is even easier on my side as we have more examples of and research on albinism...

Mojo... if you honestly feel EBJD are hybrids then why did you list them as an example of a line bred fish???? Based on the fact they are a contoverial strain is enough to remove them from the line bred example list... which was what I suggested that got this whole thing started

 

[Toby_H]

If you believe the history of EBJD they originated with regular Octofasciatum...mutated fry were singled out and LINE BRED for multiple generations to get the blue color morph. Here's the article...fourth paragraph.

If, for this conversation, we accept Hectors story… The “Regular Octo” he started with, were Blue Gene Dempseys… not “Regular” Dempseys…

His “Regular” Dempseys were nothing special, just a nice pair of regular looking Dempseys… according to the article… And a small percentage of their babies were Blue Dempseys… No evolution took place. Line breeding is a process of evolution…

Mojo… I do apologize for pulling your thread off topic… I’ll leave it be here but if you have time I’d love to have this conversation in an appropriate thread.

 

[syddakyd]

both are bad for the species in general, but being a hybrid is not harmful for the individual fish(i am not talking about creating deformed mutants like my parrot)

 

[dogofwar]

I think that we can agree, though, that - like in just about every other part of the hobby - that in the cichlid world that there are wild-type fish as well as aquarium strains developed (in a variety of ways) to appeal to man's desire to have aesthetically pleasing fish.

And - just like in just about every other part of the hobby - that there are people who enjoy keeping wild and wild-type fish as authentic as possible to the wild, there are people who seek to enhance what's in nature through selective breeding, and there are people who enjoy both.

In my opinion, there should be acceptance of people of each of these three types - formally and informally - in the ACA, as there is in organizations that represent just about every other kind of fish in the hobby...

 

[fishguts]

doesnt bother me a bit. i like them all. wc/line bred/hybrid.

 

[dogofwar]

But liking them (or not) has nothing to do with the questions that Mo posed...

doesnt bother me a bit. i like them all. wc/line bred/hybrid.

 

[GMFISHNUT]

In my opinion one thing has nothing to do with the other. Hobbiests for years have been line breeding fish to achieve certain desired traits.

Hybrids are just basterdized combinations of different species for the sake of getting a certain look. I recently saw a post for pure bred Flowerhorns of a certain race. Give me a break!!!

 

[livebearerfreak]

ok put it this way:
line breeding is ok cause its with the same specie of fish meaning same fish different sex but i would out cross every other generation..

hybridizeing isnt ok cause its with 2 different speices of fish. if nature wanted hybrids she would have already done it in the wild...

ppl say humans are hybrids cause we came from apes which infact i now we might have or havent ( i dont believe we did anyways ) but if we did it would have to generations to complete what were are today.

 

[livebearerfreak]

lets take BPs for exaple. bps cant even shut there mouths at all so gives them the weak spot there to fight other fish for dominace or whatever. and who ever created the first bp should be mauled or banned from fish keeping id say.

 

[dogofwar]

If nature wanted yellow peacocks to be red and swallow-tailed (like the line-bred varieties in the hobby), then she would make them that way... but she didn't. Line bred fish differer from what's in the wild...often as much or more than hybrids of closely-related species.

ok put it this way:
line breeding is ok cause its with the same specie of fish meaning same fish different sex but i would out cross every other generation..

hybridizeing isnt ok cause its with 2 different speices of fish. if nature wanted hybrids she would have already done it in the wild...

ppl say humans are hybrids cause we came from apes which infact i now we might have or havent ( i dont believe we did anyways ) but if we did it would have to generations to complete what were are today.