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[Lil_Stinker]

Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it is inherently wrong...

No, it makes it legally wrong. Just because pot grows, doesn't make it inherently right either. it makes it part of nature.

Pot doesnt make people stupid, some people are just stupid by themselves and if they smoke pot then thats the reason why they did something dumb. Think of how many people just grow there own for personal use because it helps them get through there day, and nooone knows that they smoke because theres so many people that think its such a bad hardcore drug. ahhh some people...

I think we can all agree, that smoking it changes the way we people think. everyone is saying things like it helps them through the day, or it makes boring things more fun. thats all because it changes the way you think.

it changes your judgment, your perception and your values (Just like booze). If you use too much you act different, think different, re-act different, and do things you may not otherwise do. People who are prone to be stupid, are certainly more stupid on pot. but smart people are not smarter.

You have a few J's you're feeling good, you go for a drive. You drive differently, people do get in accidents high, people die in them. I believe it is easier to cover up the smoke than the booze.

The statements that no one has ever died in a HIGH driving accident or because they (or someone else) was high is false.

Lets take a person that is high and likes to speed on their motorcycles they are more likely to speed, more likely to crash and yes more likely to die. (more specifically into the back of a tractor trailer being decapitated.) could he have avoided it straight? would he have gone that fast straight?

I could tell you about an 18yo who absolutely knew that his bed sheet would act like a parachute, jumping off a 110 foot cliff would he have jumped if he wasn't high?

The 19yo on his motorcycle running from the cops, he is alive after flying over an embankment breaking his neck & back. he can walk but he shakes all the time, he cant drive, and can barely write.

The 14 yo boy who got so scared when that his young neighbor girl would tell his parents he was high, he killed her with the rope of his sled; dragged her body on his sled in a cardboard box & bumped her body in a field. that was over 25 years ago, I haven't seen her father in over 20, but I am sure he believes the pot had something to do with it, and so does the boy (now a 40yo man) it was his defense & motive.

The 18 yo who killed his 17yo girlfriend while he was high & they had a fight. He stabbed her in her house with scissors, then poured gasoline & lit the house on fire. her brother came home to find the house burning after school, he was 14 and watched the firemen pull his sisters charred body from the house. The house was rebuild, but I have never been inside since then. would this have happened if he were straight?, I don't know, but one of the prettiest girls in my school died that day.

How about the 22yo who said his knee was hurting, he knew that cutting his leg off with a chain saw would make it feel better. speaking with him after the fact he still smokes pot, but even he says he wouldn't have been that stupid, if he wasn't stoned.

Perhaps the 20yo brother of an x-friend of mine he was a star athlete & 3.8 student at the university. he told us all he was faster than the train, we begged him not to race it, he set up in the starters position. he lost his life and we lost a friend.

These are not stories, they are experiences. they were not cases, they were my friends, my co-workers & my family.

So to all my fish keeping friends friends out there who feel it cant happen to you, or that its all political hype. you're full of it, I am a 40 yo man crying at his desk remembering times he would rather forget, re-seeing things he would rather never have seen. an re-living portions of his life, he wishes he never lived. but knowing he is a better man, a better father, husband and a better friend for having these experiences.

Take what you want from this, because you all know when you grab that joint & take a hit, or two. you will be able to rationalize that my friends were all just idiots any way, you're not that dumb, & you would never do that.

I used to be you.

I am done posting in this thread; I may read it to the end, but not gonna post in this thread again. It's getting too deep & personal. You should all know I am not judging you, just concerned for you. (even if you don't want it or don't feel you need it)

If you want to quit an addiction & can't, there is help, just ask. if you think you're not addicted, try to stop. If you can't stop, then your addicted.

Back to my fish, they help me make it through the day, and make boring things more fun...

 

[PoopSmart]

no I was not referring to you, however, whatever age you start doing drugs is the age you stay emotionally until you stop doing drugs...just a bit of boring substance abuse counselor jargon there, but it's the truth, so even though there are a lot of pot "supporters" out there that aren't teenagers technically, they still could be, you just never know...

I have never smoked pot, or drank alcy or nothing, but honestly if there was a gun to my head I would definitely smoke pot over drink alcohol.

All the people I know that drink are heavy drinkers who have a compulsion with it and can't have any fun at all unless they are drinking. All the people I know who are pot smokers just smoke pot every so often and aren't concerned about always having the drug in them or needing it to hang out and have fun.

I go fishing with pot smokers, but alcoholics just want to get wasted all the time.

Maybe its cause I am in college and drinking conversations just get annoying every monday (no crap, you went to a party? Yeah there were chicks there? Yeah you didn't talk to them just stared drunkily at them? Sounds awesome! = lame), but whatever. Alcohol makes people annoying, pot makes people creative.

 

[duke33]

Wow! what a read! I have to watch out for more than my granddaughter now. I flip an ash in my water buckets every now and then, but I only use that water for my house plants. Different strokes for different folks. In my humble opinion.

 

[Gr8KarmaSF]

The point of this thread is to educate people on the dangers of cig. butts on water quality not to debate pot, drugs, etc.

Feel free to start a thread in the lounge....

 

[Temperance]

It is true smoking next to your tank can make your fish sick and even die. My Red Devil lived in a smoking house and he got sick and pale but since we moved and are smoking tobacco outside he had his color back. Other "Smoke" Doesn't seem to bother him.

 

[Temperance]

In that case would cleaning products and poisons get in the water whenever you clean?

 

[PoopSmart]

In that case would cleaning products and poisons get in the water whenever you clean?

Yes, if its in the air its in the water, but cleaning products aren't as strong as cigarette smoke. Try cleaning a table or something and notice how fast the smell goes away. Someone smoked cigs in my car TWICE with the windows down and it smelled like smoke for weeks.

Cig smoke disperses more and lasts much longer. But its common sense, I mean what would happen if you started a campfire in your house without proper ventilation? Carbon monoxide poisoning most likely. I mean sure thats a greater scale, but its the concept.

 

[ShadowBass]

Just quit smoking, unless you are over 50 you are pretty much well aware of the dangers and I don't feel sorry for you. There are healthier ways to relieve stress.
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lol, I don't think being over 50 automatically means you're ignorant to the effects of smoking. It's been well known for a LONG time that smoking is bad for you.

My dad is almost 60 and he knows all the health effects, but he still does it.
My grandmother is in her 80s and also knows the health effects, she hasn't ever smoked.

I do agree that chemicals from smoke probably get in aquarium water. I know smoke leaves a residue on absolutely everything. Im not sure about the effects. I know people that smoke heavily and have had healthy tanks for years. It would be hard to measure if there was a difference if the fish had not been in tanks around smokers though.

 

[penngomifan]

No, it makes it legally wrong. Just because pot grows, doesn't make it inherently right either. it makes it part of nature.



I think we can all agree, that smoking it changes the way we people think. everyone is saying things like it helps them through the day, or it makes boring things more fun. thats all because it changes the way you think.

it changes your judgment, your perception and your values (Just like booze). If you use too much you act different, think different, re-act different, and do things you may not otherwise do. People who are prone to be stupid, are certainly more stupid on pot. but smart people are not smarter.

You have a few J's you're feeling good, you go for a drive. You drive differently, people do get in accidents high, people die in them. I believe it is easier to cover up the smoke than the booze.

The statements that no one has ever died in a HIGH driving accident or because they (or someone else) was high is false.

Lets take a person that is high and likes to speed on their motorcycles they are more likely to speed, more likely to crash and yes more likely to die. (more specifically into the back of a tractor trailer being decapitated.) could he have avoided it straight? would he have gone that fast straight?

I could tell you about an 18yo who absolutely knew that his bed sheet would act like a parachute, jumping off a 110 foot cliff would he have jumped if he wasn't high?

The 19yo on his motorcycle running from the cops, he is alive after flying over an embankment breaking his neck & back. he can walk but he shakes all the time, he cant drive, and can barely write.

The 14 yo boy who got so scared when that his young neighbor girl would tell his parents he was high, he killed her with the rope of his sled; dragged her body on his sled in a cardboard box & bumped her body in a field. that was over 25 years ago, I haven't seen her father in over 20, but I am sure he believes the pot had something to do with it, and so does the boy (now a 40yo man) it was his defense & motive.

The 18 yo who killed his 17yo girlfriend while he was high & they had a fight. He stabbed her in her house with scissors, then poured gasoline & lit the house on fire. her brother came home to find the house burning after school, he was 14 and watched the firemen pull his sisters charred body from the house. The house was rebuild, but I have never been inside since then. would this have happened if he were straight?, I don't know, but one of the prettiest girls in my school died that day.

How about the 22yo who said his knee was hurting, he knew that cutting his leg off with a chain saw would make it feel better. speaking with him after the fact he still smokes pot, but even he says he wouldn't have been that stupid, if he wasn't stoned.

Perhaps the 20yo brother of an x-friend of mine he was a star athlete & 3.8 student at the university. he told us all he was faster than the train, we begged him not to race it, he set up in the starters position. he lost his life and we lost a friend.

These are not stories, they are experiences. they were not cases, they were my friends, my co-workers & my family.

So to all my fish keeping friends friends out there who feel it cant happen to you, or that its all political hype. you're full of it, I am a 40 yo man crying at his desk remembering times he would rather forget, re-seeing things he would rather never have seen. an re-living portions of his life, he wishes he never lived. but knowing he is a better man, a better father, husband and a better friend for having these experiences.

Take what you want from this, because you all know when you grab that joint & take a hit, or two. you will be able to rationalize that my friends were all just idiots any way, you're not that dumb, & you would never do that.

I used to be you.

I am done posting in this thread; I may read it to the end, but not gonna post in this thread again. It's getting too deep & personal. You should all know I am not judging you, just concerned for you. (even if you don't want it or don't feel you need it)

If you want to quit an addiction & can't, there is help, just ask. if you think you're not addicted, try to stop. If you can't stop, then your addicted.

Back to my fish, they help me make it through the day, and make boring things more fun...

Nice try but heres the facts

A growing body of research indicates that marijuana is on balance less of a road hazard than alcohol. Various surveys have found that half or more of fatal drivers have alcohol in their blood, as opposed to 7 - 20% with THC, the major psychoactive component of marijuana (a condition usually indicative of having smoked within the past 2-4 hours).(3) The same studies show that some 70 - 90% of those who are THC-positive also have alcohol in their blood. It therefore appears that marijuana by itself is a minor road safety hazard, though the combination of pot and alcohol is not. Some research has even suggested that low doses of marijuana may sometimes improve driving performance, though this is probably not true in most cases.(4) Two major new studies by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration have confirmed marijuana's relative safety compared to alcohol. The first, the most comprehensive drug accident study to date, surveyed blood samples from 1882 drivers killed in car, truck and motorchycle accidents in seven states during 1990-91.(5) Alcohol was found in 51.5% of specimens, as against 17.8% for all other drugs combined. Marijuana, the second most common drug, appeared in just 6.7%. Two-thirds of the marijuana-using drivers also had alcohol. The report concluded that alcohol was by far the dominant drug-related problem in accidents. It went on to analyze the responsibility of drivers for the accidents they were involved in. It found that drivers who used alcohol were especially culpable in fatal accidents, and even more so when they combined it with marijuana or other drugs. However, those who used marijuana alone appeared to be if anything less culpable than non-drug users (though the data were insufficient to be statistically conclusive). The report concluded, "There was no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents." (It must be emphasized that this is not the case when marijuana is combined with alcohol or other drugs). The second NHTSA study, Marijuana and Actual Driving Performance, concluded that the adverse effects of cannabis on driving appear "relatively small" and are less than those of drunken driving. (6) The study, conducted in the Netherlands, examined the performance of drivers in actual freeway and urban driving situations at various doses of marijuana. It found that marijuana produces a moderate, dose-related decrement in road tracking ability, but is "not profoundly impairing" and "in no way unusual compared to many medicinal drugs." It found that marijuana's effects at the higher doses preferred by smokers never exceed those of alcohol at blood concentrations of .08%, the minimum level for legal intoxication in stricter states such as California. The study found that unlike alcohol, which encourages risky driving, marijuana appears to produce greater caution, apparently because users are more aware of their state and able to compensate for it (similar results have been reported by other researchers as well.(7)) It should be noted that these results may not apply to non-driving related situations, where forgetfulness or inattention can be more important than speed (this might explain the discrepancy in the Baltimore hospital study, which looked at accidents of all kinds). The NHTSA study also warned that marijuana could also be quite dangerous in emergency situations that put high demands on driving skills.

 

[playa7]

needless to say blazing is "less" of a road hazard than drinking..but, it still is a road hazard...so dont smoke weed and/or drink and drive guys/gals

as for the original post...sorry for your loss

as for smoking by your my tanks...i'd never thought that the smoke itself would be a hazard for my fish...its a good thing i dont smoke in the house or near any non-smokers

...also, here in Hawaii they passed a law that you cant smoke anywhere indoors (bars/restaurants/clubs etc.) and if you smoke outdoors you have to be 20 feet away from open doors..

keep your fish safe guys..put and smoke your cigs in its proper place