Covid vaccinations stopped and other science updates

[jjohnwm]

...Heard today on a TV show that currently the vaccinated have more Covid deaths at 58% than unvaccinated...

I didn't see the show, so I'm going strictly by what you said above...and what that says to me is that 58% of those deaths were vaccinated individuals. Since vaccinated persons make up a much greater percentage of the population today than non-vaccinated, that statistic is hardly surprising. Virtually 100% of the people eaten by sharks are good swimmers; that does not mean that being a poor swimmer, in and of itself, protects you from sharks, other than by keeping you out of the water.

Hello; Well lets look at it another way. Say the numbers bear out at 58% of the vaccinated being among the dead by covid.

For crying out loud, will you please read that sentence again? That wording states that 58% of vaccinated people are dying of Covid...i.e. the total death toll by Covid includes 58% of the vaccinated. Is that actually what you are claiming? It's an entirely different thing than the previous interpretation. Words and wording do matter; are you being intentionally vague?

...out of two select populations of 100 people, one unvaccinated and the other vaccinated, there will be 18 more dead among the vaccinated. Stated another way there will be 18 fewer dead among the unvaccinated.
Such is what the 58% number represents is it not?

This is so tough to follow that I hesitate to try...but, no, that's not what the 58% number represents. Assuming that the total population falls into one of only two categories...vaccinated and unvaccinated...if 58% are vaccinated then by definition 42% are not. Therefore, if your logic is to be followed, there will be 16 fewer deaths among the unvaccinated. However, you are using the number 18...why? Simple math error? An attempt to be obtuse and difficult to follow? I just don't know, and it's difficult trying to continue along with this.

...By the way my contention of years ago has proven correct. Those with natural immunity have just as good and likely better than vaccine immunity. Interesting that.

Okay, this part seems pretty clear; "See? See? I told you so!"

Sorry...didn't see it then...seeing it even less now...maybe if you explain it a couple more times, using wording each time that means something completely different, it'll sink in.

 

[RD.]

The new catchphrase is become with the vaccine you will get sick but not as sick.

Nothing new about that statement. I said the same here in the previous covid discussion from a couple of years back (that was I believe locked), as have many others here, as have millions of medical professionals across the globe since this started. At no time has there been any guarantees of not getting sick, just because one was vaccinated. Ditto to influenza vaccines. They are designed to save lives. Argue that point all you like, but nothing new about that either. When it comes to individual immune responses, at best, viral vaccines save lives - no guarantees on not getting sick. Natural immunity is a great thing but is also based on each person's individual immune system. No guarantees there, either.

BTW - I'm not entrenched in anything, personally I am not a fan of having needles stuck in me, for any reason.
Not a huge fan of vaccines, either. Never have been.

 

[skjl47]

For crying out loud, will you please read that sentence again? That wording states that 58% of vaccinated people are dying of Covid...i.e. the total death toll by Covid includes 58% of the vaccinated. Is that actually what you are claiming? It's an entirely different thing than the previous interpretation. Words and wording do matter; are you being intentionally vague?

Hello; The way I read it is currently of 100 people dying from covid 58 will have been vaccinated. The number of unvaccinated dead will be 42. Were we not last told getting the shots will prevent serious illness??? Death seems a pretty serious outcome to me. I understand the spin and you are welcome to it.

Notice you did not touch the seatbelt nor lifejacket analogy. I see flaws in the shark bite/ poor swimmer analogy.

 

[skjl47]

At no time has there been any guarantees of not getting sick, just because one was vaccinated. Ditto to influenza vaccines. They are designed to save lives. Argue that point all you like, but nothing new about that either.

Hello; There can be low levels of effectiveness with the flu vaccine to be sure. But there is a difference with a distinction with the flu shots. A reason for low or moderate flu shot effectiveness is they make a guess about which flu strain(s) to target some months before flu season starts. Takes time to grow a traditional flu vaccine. My understanding is if they guess correctly about the dominant flu strain then the flu shots can be effective in general and very effective against the targeted flu strain(s). In some years they guess wrong, and some other new strain(s) become dominant. Flu mutates often. My take has been the traditional vaccines do have a good level of effectiveness when they guess correctly.

By the way for many weeks/months we were indeed told that if we took the covid shots we would be protected from the disease. Attempts to rewrite history can be made but many of us have not forgotten. Does the phrase "pandemic of the unvaccinated" ring a bell?

 

[RD.]

Regarding flu shots, even when they guess correctly, as they seem to have this year here in Canada, that in no way guarantees that one will not, or cannot, get the virus, and be sick. Millions will still get sick, even when vaccinated. The key is, millions that get the flu vaccine, don’t get sick enough to end up in a hospital bed, or worse. These are simple facts that are easily found for anyone that wants to take the time to seek the facts.

Yes, some fools said that Covid vaccines were fool proof, some fools said other things - so what? Obviously the vast majority of medical professionals never said that Covid vaccines were going to equate to never getting Covid.

 

[celebrist]

...Yes, some fools said that Covid vaccines were fool proof, some fools said other things ...

You sir, are indeed, unentrenched

 

[RD.]

I also never believe everything that I read, such as Covid first surfaced in Canada in January 2022. lol

 

[jjohnwm]

Hello; The way I read it is currently of 100 people dying from covid 58 will have been vaccinated. The number of unvaccinated dead will be 42. Were we not last told getting the shots will prevent serious illness??? Death seems a pretty serious outcome to me. I understand the spin and you are welcome to it.

I was hoping that was what you meant, but you were not at all clear in your wording.

So, spin this: at present, all the numbers I have seen indicate that in the U.S. as a whole today, approximately 80% of adults have had at least one shot. So 58% of Covid deaths come from a group representing 80% of the population...and the unvaccinated 20% of the population contribute 40% of the deaths.

Interesting, that...eh?

 

[D Masoni]

I was hoping that was what you meant, but you were not at all clear in your wording.

So, spin this: at present, all the numbers I have seen indicate that in the U.S. as a whole today, approximately 80% of adults have had at least one shot. So 58% of Covid deaths come from a group representing 80% of the population...and the unvaccinated 20% of the population contribute 40% of the deaths.

Interesting, that...eh?

I am new here, so at the risk of starting trouble, I would like to add something to this. Please forgive any faux pas of board etiquette. I want to bring up few points.

1. As someone who left journalism because of the lies and manipulations forced on good journalists or lose your job, media lies. They have to uphold the agenda of the shareholders. In this case, the shareholders have financial interest in the shots and pushing the faux demic. Polls are skewed to make people in the US THINK more got shots than did. This is not vaccine. It is warfare in a syringe.

2. A close buddy of mine left the health industry when he discovered the plans to create a fear based disease narrative to try to force shots on people leading to ultimate control of the population. That was in the 1980s. I began to monitor the flu trends in the US and loosely around the world, but not strictly. I saw when they started launching the variants of the weaponized flu (they were looking to settle on their best development) in the 1990s. I watched trends, monitored newscasts, and saw them slowly setting up the mindset for the agenda 201 (held Oct 2019)that they put into action in Dec/Jan 2020, reaching full push by April.

3. This group doing this is an international group. Certain areas they want emptier are for various reasons. Natural resources, tactical land locations, work camps to support their future food supply and the left overs who survive their shot culling will work there.

4. I know I have probably already said enough so I will stop there. I came to this forum because of spirited discussions I saw here on fish food. People here tend to have opinions and like to get into reasons why they think the way they do. That is why I decided to try out the forum.

Again, sorry if I transgressed any forum boundaries or formats. I just wanted to add to the discussion as it is something I am very experienced in in terms of research and watching.

Oh, one last thing. Vaccines were also based on a lie way back. If you study cause and effects of things causing symptoms that were suddenly outlawed after vaccines came out and then claimed success by vaccines, you will see they gradually have pulled bait and switch for years. DDT used to be used on wallpaper, baby's clothing and bedding, dusted on school children, etc. When symptoms were blamed on polio and other major diseases, notice when they claimed how successful vaccines were when DDT was outlawed.

If anyone has not gotten a pitchfork to run me out yet and really wants to look into this, there is a book called Dr Mary's Monkey by Ed Haslam I believe it is. It reads like a novel so easy to follow. That explores many things which will open your eyes as far back as the 1960s. I recommend that as it is easy to read. Someone on a board like this recommended it to me a long time ago. I almost didn't read it. Glad I did.

Well, thanks for paying attention if anyone has to this point. I will shut up now.

 

[RD.]

Oh, one last thing. Vaccines were also based on a lie way back. If you study cause and effects of things causing symptoms that were suddenly outlawed after vaccines came out and then claimed success by vaccines, you will see they gradually have pulled bait and switch for years. DDT used to be used on wallpaper, baby's clothing and bedding, dusted on school children, etc. When symptoms were blamed on polio and other major diseases, notice when they claimed how successful vaccines were when DDT was outlawed.

Welcome to MFK, it's not often that someone new to the forum, lands in the Lounge.

Regarding the quoted comment above, are you implying that DDT is/was the cause of polio? It sure sounds like it?
Considering that India still actively uses TONS of DDT ( India uses DDT for prevention of vector borne diseases such as malaria, dengue and Kala-azar due to lack of suitable alternatives), and that the last case of polio reported in India was in 2011, that kinda reads like fake news to me - the exact thing that you appear to be accusing others of.

Where I live, DDT was still being used well into the 1970's, and wasn't banned until 1985. I'm old enough to have known those with that disease, and fortunate enough to see the introduction of immunization programs in the 1950s here. I got mine! The last indigenous case of wild poliovirus here was in 1977. I think the vaccine results speak for themselves.

As far as corruption......

"Most people couldn't be rich if they wanted to be honest; most people couldn't be honest if they wanted to be rich." - Margaret Peterson Haddix

I suspect most folks over the age of 21 understand how that works. People in all walks of life lie, when they feel the need. Money seems to be an ideal motivator for most folks. Power goes hand in hand with $$$. Some folks apparently can't seem to grasp that or have hurt feelings regarding some of the lies that were told. I understand that.

Agree 100% regarding corruption, but after that, you pretty much lost me.