crazy BD prices

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T1KARMANN;2584813; said:
20-30 to 1 suppler :D

that means they are by no means rare in the wild if 20-30 can be found in a matter of months

could you get me 20-30 snow aros golden barramundi, albino leo or pearl rays NO now they are rare :D


No they are one in a million a genetic freak quite a difference between rare and one of a kind. And yes I can get you and ALBINO PEARL RAY show me the money lol
 
csx4236;2584840; said:
No they are one in a million a genetic freak quite a difference between rare and one of a kind. And yes I can get you and ALBINO PEARL RAY show me the money lol

if the price of the BD are anything to go on the albino pearl will be a little bit to expencive for me :D
 
There is so much that goes on behind that scenes that we are unaware of, that it's hard to attempt to comment on something like this..

Heres a few influencing factors;

Asian market buyers are bidding up the prices due to competition and the 'breeding' scene over there.

Asian breeders want the prices to be high so their captive bred specimens will hold there value, so they will do what they can to drive up the price.

Exporters are not stupid. They have known about the Leopoldi prices since the ban, due to supply and demand. They have been waiting for the ban to be lifted to capitalize on this for some time. Mike, Mark H, Asia really don't set the prices, but rather the prices are set from a formula that exponentially grows each time the rays switch hands. The initial price will have a huge influence on the final price. (example: Motoros $7 out of the river, Tiger Rays $220 out of the river.. Motoros $150 retail, Tiger Ray $700 retail ... so what if BD's are $800 out of the river?!?)

Many costs are figured into exporting and importing that hobbyists aren't even aware of.. and if you don't price your stock with these variables in your pricing, you will go out of business fast.

Fisherman, Collectors, Exporting/Importing Fees/Taxes, Price of Gasoline, Distance of Flight, Transhipping, Middlemen, DOAs, Medications, Food, Electricity, etc.. are all figured into the price. Hobbyists don't see these and don't care. Do you think any of these prices have dropped since 2005? or do you think they went up?

I would agree that some folks in some places might be upping the prices based on the fact that they will sell for that.. It's simple supply and demand, simple business math. Black rays have now become a status symbol, like Asian Aros, not a hobbyist fish. However, 'some folks in some places' might have variables in there process that factor into the cost - such as a 1 month quarantine.


I talk alot with Mike and I know he's not gouging prices, but rather trying to price them as best as he can to stay operable. I am sure that is what most of the other hobbyists/importers, such as Mark H, are also trying to do. I've spoken with Mark before a few times, and he is an upstanding guy.. I highly doubt he is trying to get rich off importing black rays, but rather trying to help the hobby and proliferate the passion for rays...

If you had a chance to sell your rare 83 oldsmobile cutlass for $870,000 grand and retire because some crazy car collector from another country has the means, the money, and the want.. would you? [sarcasm] of course not.. you would tell them that is crazy talk and sell them for their true value of $100 out of the junkyard. [/sarcasm]

I think Hobbyists that have never imported on a large scale or have had to work with 3rd world greedy exporters should voice there opinions and leave it at that. Consider yourself lucky if you got one before the price increase. Someone is cashing in, not because they are greedy, but because they are smart... and I guarantee the person cashing in likely comes from a country with low moral values, greed, corruption, poverty, and seasonal flooding. ;)
 
i like this thread and have been taking it all in for a while now i have made contact with an importer and i cannot put his name out there but in us dollars for adult breeding type if baught in bundle would cost me for each 2500 this is with shipping to the states but i have to agree with alot of you and of coarse mike he doesnt do what he does for nothing if people are willing to pay the high cost for a very rare buett then so be it if people can only afford a fare looking one at still a high price like 1000 or more then thats the way it is and anything with a ban on it is just going to be triple if not more to get to your door thats why mike at h2o goes crazy everyday in making sure he has top notch breeding pairs going together and his stock is always kept up with so he can cb for us to enjoy a great ray at a fair price i think what does he charge (dont quote me ) but like starting at 1600 and up come on mike is doing us a favor at these prices I just think the government and coruption play a duet with all of us and they too know whats going on but until we find another alternative its off too H2O we go HAPPY HOLIDAYS PEOPLE.
 
Nobody forced anybody into running a breeding facility, if the wilds come in and the bottom drops out of the ray market, it will be just another "pricing bubble" just like the housing market.

Will the ray breeders be the next bailout we have expense?
 
I think its funny that everyone complained for so long about the Ban and how hard black rays were to get, and the pricetag that comes with em..

They are here.. they are fresh.. they are wild..

Now all we can complain about is the prices.. :ROFL:
 
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Nobody forced anybody into running a breeding facility, if the wilds come in and the bottom drops out of the ray market, it will be just another "pricing bubble" just like the housing market.

Will the ray breeders be the next bailout we have expense?


Black rays are already here maybe you have not noticed but they arrived already. As for your bailout comment just another STUPID reply from you and not your first and wont be your last thats for sure.
 
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