Curious, who here owns an Oscar of good size/age that does not show pit erosion?

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Yeah, nothing long term, but I had 2 Oscars a while back (15-20 years ago) that got me into big tanks. They had a 150 to themselves and at 6yrs they had little to no signs of HITH. Damn best looking Oscars I've ever seen in person, but I'm sure I was biased. Female was a hair under 14" and male was around 13" both measured out of the water. I'd think that with an autodrip system and or frequent water changes and a UV sterilizer that one could prevent HITH. The problem is they are so messy...lol

Interesting that you said "little to no" - so it was there even if it was negligible - and it wasn't long term. I remember my Oscar had no HITH for 5 6 years, got it in year 7, i fed him as much garlic as I could, even going to far as to put antibacterial gel into his head wounds, and he recovered for a year, then got it so bad in year 9 I had to put him down.
 
Been a while since I gave this much thought, I remember reading something in the carbon I was using may have contributed to HITH?? Not too sure how though.
 
Yeah, they had no HITH from what I remember, but cant say 0 with 100% certainty.
 
Been a while since I gave this much thought, I remember reading something in the carbon I was using may have contributed to HITH?? Not too sure how though.

I remember that too.
 
It's not diet. It's not water quality. It's water chemistry that causes HITH. Fish from hard water regions, such as African cichlids and CA don't get HITH. Fish from Amazonian soft water such as Discus, Angel fish, Geophagus, and Oscar are highly susceptable to HITH. I kept Geophagus in the same tank with CA and Africans under the same conditions and only Geophagus came up with HITH. I gave up Discus keeping because they all came up with HITH despite weekly WC. There is imbalance of something too much or too little in tap water from that of natural soft water that is the real cause.
 
While the jury is still out on much of the information surrounding the causes of HITH (freshwater) & HLLE (marine) it is clear that there can be several triggers, and what one hobbyist may experience with their fish, may have nothing to do with what the next person experiences with their fish.

There is no single cause of HITH, the cause is stress, and in many cases that stress does appear to come from the water chemistry such as what viejafish mentioned. The parasite that has been directly associated with HITH and freshwater fish species, is Spironucleus vortens. Myself, Matt, and Tom explain our personal opinions/theories as to why certain SA species are more prone to this ailment in the following past discussion. With the search feature broken this wasn't easy to find.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?548799-HITH-lATERAL-LINE-DISEASE-IN-CICHLA



In the case of blackwater species I always believed that those species found in acidic blackwater environments do not always cope well with various parasites/pathogens found in non blackwater environments. (such as found in many hobbyists tap water)

There is much more than just pH involved, and even tannins, various other natural turpines and chemicals found in indigenous plant matter may not only keep the pH buffered quite low in these natural blackwater environments, but in some instances (such as Terminalia catappa aka Almond leaves) some of these various indigenous plant matter are also known to produce antimicrobial activity that suppresses both gram positive & gram negative bacteria. Take those species out of that "protective" environment, and introduce them to paramaters outside their ideal range, and a fish that comes under stress (of any form) is going to be open for invasion from any number of pathogens that it would not normally encounter in the wild.

Enter the world of HITH, and S. vortens .....
 
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