Curious, who here owns an Oscar of good size/age that does not show pit erosion?

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I have seen Oscar which is of 7 year old without any deformities...would have uploaded pic, but can't...the Oscar was in a 150G community setup...


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This is a cool topic. I played around with Discus for awhile and the only way to keep them long term HITH free was daily water changes, and high water temps. It would be interesting to see if Oscar's would benifit from same conditions. Yet daily water changes take the fun out of the hobby.

I live in a area with soft water, and I have horrible problems with HITH with south american fish, also with any kind of firemeouth or thoricthy's. Yet I can buffer the water with calcium substrate and keep any kind of mbuna or hap with no problems. I have just learned to stop keeping certain kinds of fish, I obviosly have a problem with my water and fishroom. Other kinds of softwater fish are fine. Killifish do great, west african dwarf cichlids and apisto's do well. Yet no matter how hard I try, or how I buffer the water or do water changes... I can't keep severums of oscars or firemouths for the life of me.
 
Not sure how old he was, I got him at 12" and had him for ~4 years. He died a couple years ago at 13".

He developed HITH while I was working away, I'm guessing water quality was the cause due to the water only getting changed when I got home ( every 3 weeks ).

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Thorichthys are CA, not SA. I have trouble keeping Thorichthys not from HITH, but from bacterial infection that caused bloat, bulging eye, tumor and craters in the head that looks like HITH. I raised batches of T. elioti from juvies to adults twice, all eventually died from bacterial infection. A true HITH is a slow disfiguring disease that does not kill the fish which will continue to live, grow and swim like a living skull. Bacterial infection that caused crater and tumor in the head is an acute disease that kills quickly and can strike any cichlids.
 
I too have not gotten past 7 years. My one tiger until last year was clear, but now has an indenture.

What is "weirder" is that all three of my Oscars developed a "Mole/ Wart" like lip bump larger than a BB.
 
It's not diet. It's not water quality. It's water chemistry that causes HITH. Fish from hard water regions, such as African cichlids and CA don't get HITH. Fish from Amazonian soft water such as Discus, Angel fish, Geophagus, and Oscar are highly susceptable to HITH. I kept Geophagus in the same tank with CA and Africans under the same conditions and only Geophagus came up with HITH. I gave up Discus keeping because they all came up with HITH despite weekly WC. There is imbalance of something too much or too little in tap water from that of natural soft water that is the real cause.

Fascinating!
 
While the jury is still out on much of the information surrounding the causes of HITH (freshwater) & HLLE (marine) it is clear that there can be several triggers, and what one hobbyist may experience with their fish, may have nothing to do with what the next person experiences with their fish.

There is no single cause of HITH, the cause is stress, and in many cases that stress does appear to come from the water chemistry such as what viejafish mentioned. The parasite that has been directly associated with HITH and freshwater fish species, is Spironucleus vortens. Myself, Matt, and Tom explain our personal opinions/theories as to why certain SA species are more prone to this ailment in the following past discussion. With the search feature broken this wasn't easy to find.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?548799-HITH-lATERAL-LINE-DISEASE-IN-CICHLA



In the case of blackwater species I always believed that those species found in acidic blackwater environments do not always cope well with various parasites/pathogens found in non blackwater environments. (such as found in many hobbyists tap water)

There is much more than just pH involved, and even tannins, various other natural turpines and chemicals found in indigenous plant matter may not only keep the pH buffered quite low in these natural blackwater environments, but in some instances (such as Terminalia catappa aka Almond leaves) some of these various indigenous plant matter are also known to produce antimicrobial activity that suppresses both gram positive & gram negative bacteria. Take those species out of that "protective" environment, and introduce them to paramaters outside their ideal range, and a fish that comes under stress (of any form) is going to be open for invasion from any number of pathogens that it would not normally encounter in the wild.

Enter the world of HITH, and S. vortens .....

Also fascinating, but tell me, wouldn't subsequent tank bred fish, after numerous generations become immune? I understand that the vast majority of all Oscars sold are not wild caught, correct? Or does immunity not work this way?
 
This is a cool topic. I played around with Discus for awhile and the only way to keep them long term HITH free was daily water changes, and high water temps. It would be interesting to see if Oscar's would benifit from same conditions. Yet daily water changes take the fun out of the hobby.

I live in a area with soft water, and I have horrible problems with HITH with south american fish, also with any kind of firemeouth or thoricthy's. Yet I can buffer the water with calcium substrate and keep any kind of mbuna or hap with no problems. I have just learned to stop keeping certain kinds of fish, I obviosly have a problem with my water and fishroom. Other kinds of softwater fish are fine. Killifish do great, west african dwarf cichlids and apisto's do well. Yet no matter how hard I try, or how I buffer the water or do water changes... I can't keep severums of oscars or firemouths for the life of me.

Thanks, you know, I hava had the exact same experience as you. With my Discus. The instant i stopped daily 50 per cent water changes, they developed HITH.
 
Thorichthys are CA, not SA. I have trouble keeping Thorichthys not from HITH, but from bacterial infection that caused bloat, bulging eye, tumor and craters in the head that looks like HITH. I raised batches of T. elioti from juvies to adults twice, all eventually died from bacterial infection. A true HITH is a slow disfiguring disease that does not kill the fish which will continue to live, grow and swim like a living skull. Bacterial infection that caused crater and tumor in the head is an acute disease that kills quickly and can strike any cichlids.

My Oscar of 8 years developed a huge crater in his head. Perhaps what i first attributed to HITH was not that but some other bacterial thing. It was terrible, like someone had shot him with an arrow, then removed said arrow.
 
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