dart frogs

[Vicious_Fish]

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What supports that evidence.

Her experience and lots of others.

I don't see it supported...I see tank with multiple species all the time.

Where? Zoos don't count. They mix animals all the time because when they die they just buy another and plop it in to replace the dead one.

I don't hear about losses in Mixed species Tanks.

Again, where are you hearing this?

I just hear people saying it ain't okay and they always throw in the hybridization issue.

So others are telling you it isn't ok to mix as well? Maybe there's truth to that then.

I ain't saying they are giving advice to steer anyone wrong just not answering the question directly.

I don't know what you want her to say. She's makes sense to me.

And to be honest for personal reasons I do not mix species either. I prefer each animal/Species to have its own tank. If it is 1 Animal or 2 or more that can live in harmony. Frog or Gecko. If babies happen then so be it, but I do it because I think even animals need playpals, social life. Not to just get babies.

And why don't you mix species? How are darts any different then other herp species? I don't mix animals either because of the stress it can put on them plus the fact that you risk transmitting disease/parasites. I don't see why you wouldn't treat darts the same way. Herps are not fish.

 

[Reptilesfishbirdsmammals]

i have 2 dendrobates tinctoious. they are great. though in captivity they are not poisonous, don't handle them. their skins are very fragile. i wouldn'y reccomend keeping different species together. what species are you interseted in?

i like this post a lot cause id like to know more to and i was shocked to hear in captivity theres no poison? hmm cool

 

[Reptilesfishbirdsmammals]

i havent got any im actually here cause id like to know more about them as well but i know a site you can go to for them ---> http://www.petsolutions.com/Dartfrogs+C40003059.aspx very good site to for cages fish reptiles etc good luck though

 

[jpstodwftexas]

I am a member on several frogs forums.

Every time I see the Topic of mixed species come up Hybridization is the Main issue of mixing Dart Frogs.

You ever work at a Zoo?

So you know for a Fact that they just go out and spend money endlessly on exhibit animals because they are expendable?

I don't mix my species because I Like for personal reasons having a Tank for each. I like designing Tanks that are unique. I have plant only tanks because I like them.

I have been to several collectors who keep multi-species tanks and they never say anything about loses.

I suspect we don't hear more about them because they are afraid of getting bashed for doing it.

 

[Vicious_Fish]

I am a member on several frogs forums.

Every time I see the Topic of mixed species come up Hybridization is the Main issue of mixing Dart Frogs.

You ever work at a Zoo?

So you know for a Fact that they just go out and spend money endlessly on exhibit animals because they are expendable?

I don't mix my species because I Like for personal reasons having a Tank for each. I like designing Tanks that are unique. I have plant only tanks because I like them.

I have been to several collectors who keep multi-species tanks and they never say anything about loses.

I suspect we don't hear more about them because they are afraid of getting bashed for doing it.

As a matter of fact I have worked at a zoo briefly in college (Zoo America in Hershey PA) and I've also helped at the Belize Zoo in Belize but that was more for researching Morelet's crocodiles. Ever been behind the closed doors at a zoo? In many cases (but not always) they have surplus animals in the back ready to replace the ones that perish.

I have also been contacted by someone at the Baltimore Aquarium who is interested in purchasing Ackie Monitors from me when ever I have babies available. I declined for that very reason. It was for a zoo. I'm am very familiar with the Baltimore Aquariums "Outback" exhibit. They have a smallish setup with Ackies, BTS and Bearded Dragons along with a few species of snakes all mixed together. I don't want to put my animals through that.

 

[jpstodwftexas]

Yes I have been back behind the Exhibits at several Zoos and Aquariums.

I have behind the scene at The Dallas Zoo, Dallas World Aquarium, Knoxville Zoo, Memphis Zoo, LA Zoo, San Diego Zoo and just recently at the FT Worth Zoo new MOLA. I spent 2 hours behind the exhibits at MOLA. I was shown alot of stuff. I was allowed in the Nursery also.

Yes there are some animals but they are not just over flowing with extras as drop ins. Almost every Zoo is involved in some type of breeding program.

 

[longliveledzep]

You should have a few years with dartfrogs before you mix here is why
different levels of aggression like tincs and pumillo are very aggressive and leucs are not so the tinc will attack the leuc
hybrids and they are bad because it can be hard to tell the difference between them and a normal frog so someone buys a hybrid thinking is a normal frog if they breed it with a normal frog and they sell the babies it doesn’t start to sterilize the frogs until 4-5 generations later so you can have hundreds of sterile frogs from one hybrid

 

[jpstodwftexas]

You should have a few years with dartfrogs before you mix here is why
different levels of aggression like tincs and pumillo are very aggressive and leucs are not so the tinc will attack the leuc
hybrids and they are bad because it can be hard to tell the difference between them and a normal frog so someone buys a hybrid thinking is a normal frog if they breed it with a normal frog and they sell the babies it doesn’t start to sterilize the frogs until 4-5 generations later so you can have hundreds of sterile frogs from one hybrid

And if the person Never gives away the hybrids or sells them is this still a valid reason not to mix. Again your assuming that everyone who breeds will sell..

once again that should not be an issue when talking about mixing species in a tank

 

[Toby_H]

Hybridization is a valid concern, but looses importance to those who will not raise nor distribute young...


Some species will mix with one another just as well as they will with their own species. Other species will not.

As this is a fish forum where most of us are quite familiar with Cichlids, I don't see why this is at all a foreign concept. If a random newbie went out and picked several species of Cichlids based on nothing but how they looked, their tank will likely end up with a host of problems. Same is true with dart frogs.

On the other hand, if someone selects species that have the same needs, that get the same size, that have the same aggression levels, that grow at the same rate, etc... there is a darn good chance it will work out as well as a single species tank.


Recognizing aggression and stress in Dart Frogs is more difficult than recognizing aggression and stress in Cichlids, which is a very valid point for discouraging mixed tanks as well as multiple specimen tanks. At least for those new to Dart Frogs.


As for multiple specimen tanks of a single species vs multiple specimen tanks of multiple species... The complexities of "multiple specimen" is there with each approach, but the added complexities of "multiple species" adds a list of things we need to watch out for. Thus we are seeing this additional complexity being discouraged, at least until one has ample first hand experience.


It sounds to me like we are being encouraged to move forward slowly and wisely... which generally sounds like good advise. I do agree that in the Dart Frog Community we are encouraged to move much more slowly and much more wisely than we are in the Cichlid community...

 

[varanio]

Ladies and germs let's just agree to disagree with the two different points of view with regards to hybridization. Both parties are expressing their points of view in a civil manner, but the back and forth feels like we're beating a dead horse. Whe. It comes to keeping and breeding animals you will see there is no one strict way of having success and that applies to all portions of the spectrum. Good topic and good dialogue otherwise, never knew there was so much back and forth about this subject with regards to dart frogs.

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