dart frogs

[jpstodwftexas]

In another words, the only condition that exists in a mixed tank and does not in a single species tank is hybridization.

You may have bullying, you have deaths, you have timidness, you have underfeed frogs in both.

Hybridization is the single most stated reason not to mix species. And that is brought up by breeders and people who sell 'pure' breed frogs for a living.

Do people do mixed tanks, yes they just don't tell many people. Is it done at a professional level by experts. Yes

 

[kearth]

In another words, the only condition that exists in a mixed tank and does not in a single species tank is hybridization.

You may have bullying, you have deaths, you have timidness, you have underfeed frogs in both.

Hybridization is the single most stated reason not to mix species. And that is brought up by breeders and people who sell 'pure' breed frogs for a living.

Do people do mixed tanks, yes they just don't tell many people. Is it done at a professional level by experts. Yes

yes people do mix tanks. The key word there I think is experts. Well nto really ever experts.

For a beginner who has never kept dart frogs I do not suggest it at all. They do not know what to look out for, signs of agression, etc.

Now some one with experience with darts, a large enough tank ( 125 or larger IMHO) might be able to pull it off.

I do not sell "pure" bred dart frogs for a living. I have a web site I sell through and I have a few shows I do a month. And I do agree Hybridization is one of the main reason but also not the only reason.

 

[jpstodwftexas]

yes people do mix tanks. The key word there I think is experts. Well nto really ever experts.

For a beginner who has never kept dart frogs I do not suggest it at all. They do not know what to look out for, signs of agression, etc.

Now some one with experience with darts, a large enough tank ( 125 or larger IMHO) might be able to pull it off.

I do not sell "pure" bred dart frogs for a living. I have a web site I sell through and I have a few shows I do a month. And I do agree Hybridization is one of the main reason but also not the only reason.

Since you sell frogs and it has been stated and agreed up on that a single species tank has issues with Bullying and Underfeed Timid frogs often resulting in Death do you advice single specimen tanks..or do you recommend multiple frogs per tank even if it can lead to the death of a frog?

 

[kearth]

I dont have under fed frogs and I watch for signs of aggression.

I turn down more people than I actually sell to. If some one mentions mixing I will nto sell my frogs to them.

 

[jpstodwftexas]

I dont have under fed frogs and I watch for signs of aggression.

I turn down more people than I actually sell to. If some one mentions mixing I will nto sell my frogs to them.

You didn't answer the question. I asked since Bullying and Underfeed Timid Frogs can happen in a a Single Species Tank do you advice against more than 1 specimen in each tank?

I did not ask if you had underfeed frogs and do you watch for signs of aggression to prevent death.

 

[kearth]

Regardless of what I say you will find it necessary to argue with me and turn it around.

Frogs can do just fine by themselves so there is really no need unless you want to breed them to house more than one together.

There is nothing wrong with keeping more than one of the same frog ( except female tincs) in a tank togther. You run a very slight risk of bullying/ agression. nothing like if you would have a mixed species tank.

You mix different types of frogs and yes you will have dead ones eventually. You mix the same types of frogs and more than likely you will not especially if you know what you are doing.

If you would like to mix your frogs go ahead. Once again I am not trying to argue with you, but you seem to find it necessary. ONCE again, you have your opinion I have mine.

 

[jpstodwftexas]

Once again you did not answer the questions
So In another words I can conclude that


You do not advice against putting more than one frog in a Tank as long as it is of the same species even though there maybe bullying which may lead to Underfeed frogs and Possible death

However you do advice against putting more than 1 species of frogs in a Tank because there may be bullying which may lead to underfeed frogs and possible death and hybridization has nothing to do with it.

Have you ever attempted a mixed Tank to actually see how it would work out?

Seems like a double standard to me.. Why is it okay for the same frog species to bully or kill each other but not different ones.

Or is hybridization the real reason you advice against it?

 

[Vicious_Fish]

I don't see what is so hard to understand. I think it's pretty apparent that you run less of a risk of having bullied and under fed frogs if you DO NOT MIX different species. I don't know a great deal about darts but I believe what kearth says. She wouldn't steer someone the wrong way.

 

[jpstodwftexas]

I don't see what is so hard to understand. I think it's pretty apparent that you run less of a risk of having bullied and under fed frogs if you DO NOT MIX different species. I don't know a great deal about darts but I believe what kearth says. She wouldn't steer someone the wrong way.

What supports that evidence.

I don't see it supported...I see tank with multiple species all the time.

I don't hear about losses in Mixed species Tanks.

I just hear people saying it ain't okay and they always throw in the hybridization issue.

I ain't saying they are giving advice to steer anyone wrong just not answering the question directly.

And to be honest for personal reasons I do not mix species either. I prefer each animal/Species to have its own tank. If it is 1 Animal or 2 or more that can live in harmony. Frog or Gecko. If babies happen then so be it, but I do it because I think even animals need playpals, social life. Not to just get babies.

 

[EricIvins]

I don't see what is so hard to understand. I think it's pretty apparent that you run less of a risk of having bullied and under fed frogs if you DO NOT MIX different species. I don't know a great deal about darts but I believe what kearth says. She wouldn't steer someone the wrong way.

You have to understand the Dart Frog community to understand the argument. It's all semantics, as mixing has been done since Dart Frogs first hit the Trade. Its been done both successfully and un-successfully for years, just the same as keeping them seperate/segregated/however you want to call it. The problem lies in the fact that Dart Frog people can't come to a conclusion on anything, and that has alienated the Dart Frog Trade. Elite doesn't even begin to describe the attitude given off by most. New Tincs are coming out of Surinam right now, and I'm not messing with them at all. Too much BS and not enough profit margin.......