dart frogs

[kearth]

about mixing it can be done but you should have a few years xp before you try also don't mix any thing that can interbreed tincs auratus azureus and leucs can all interbreed you can mix color morphs as long as you cull the babys also you need a big tank in the 100s of gallons and keep it very under stocked here are some good sties for more info and places to get frogs
http://www.blackjungle.com/home.html
http://www.dendroboard.com/
http://www.saurian.net/
http://www.dartfrogmegastore.com/
http://www.joshesfrogs.com
www.alphaprobreeders.com

and if you have visited any of those sites and spent any time reading them you would see how bad hybrids are frowned upon.

There is no real point in mixing. even with a large tank. If you keep all of the same type together you get to see the way they interact with each other, the social networking so to speak. You mix you get to see how well they stress each other out and possible eventually die.

Like mixing azures with alanis. Both are tinctorius. Most alanis I see have dwarfed the azureus. Same thing with Matechos, again another tinc. Even with the "color morphs" as you call them they come from different places and act differently.

Go post that mixing is ok on DB and see what happens. Or even do a search for mixing and spend a few hours reading why it is not really a good thing.

 

[jpstodwftexas]

Mixing is frowned on Mainly from the stand point that they can interbreed and people are afraid that someone will sell the Offspring or give them to someone who will sell them. If the Frogs' Offspring are never sold or given away to someone who would sell them who cares if they interbreed. If their are not genetic deformities like frogs with Hair who cares. None of the Frogs in Personal Collections can ever be released back into the Wild anyways legally.

Basically nobody wants designer frogs showing up like we have in Geckos and Snakes.

Your Frog Purist want pure breeds only.

Myself I am not a breeder or a seller so I don't see problems with mixing if the space is big enough and the environment is correct for all.

and To be Honest I don't believe in Crossbreeding anything to achieve a type of animal especially if it is done to get an Expensive Animal just to sell when there are normal animals who need homes

 

[kearth]

Mixing is frowned on Mainly from the stand point that they can interbreed and people are afraid that someone will sell the Offspring or give them to someone who will sell them. If the Frogs' Offspring are never sold or given away to someone who would sell them who cares if they interbreed. If their are not genetic deformities like frogs with Hair who cares. None of the Frogs in Personal Collections can ever be released back into the Wild anyways legally.

Basically nobody wants designer frogs showing up like we have in Geckos and Snakes.

Your Frog Purist want pure breeds only.

Myself I am not a breeder or a seller so I don't see problems with mixing if the space is big enough and the environment is correct for all.

and To be Honest I don't believe in Crossbreeding anything to achieve a type of animal especially if it is done to get an Expensive Animal just to sell when there are normal animals who need homes

You are correct that most frog hobbiest do not want hybrids. but is also because of the aggression issues.

Tincs are bolder than auratus. Luecs shyer than tincs ( some times), Imitator bolder than intermedius, Eldos bolder than mancreeks. Mancreeks bolder than basti. I have a female alanis that has killed two males. They breed for a few months and then she kills him. Dart frogs can be very very agressive towards one another. It can be argued on and argued on for page after page. I have no need to argue I am just stating what I know from breeding these frogs for numerous years.

You see people who breed hybrids and then say they are not going to sell them but when they dont have the heart to cull them they end up on the market. Then down the line the mudding begins.

I do agree that none of the frogs in captivty today are every going to be reintroduce. As sad as it is and people talk about Oh Oh it may happen. We all know it is not going to.


But over all I am pretty sure we all know they are from the Dendrobatidae family. Read the whole thread and then comment.

 

[jpstodwftexas]

There can be aggression even amongst the same species, so that is not valid reason as not to mix species..Should we warn people and advise them not to have more than 1 frog per tank.


The main reason people advice against mixing is hybridization, as most people assume people who actual manage to get offspring will sale them or give them to someone who will sell them. Again if your not selling or giving away the frogs there is nothing wrong with having Halfbreed frogs for your enjoyment unless you get 1 eyed purple people eaters with 8 legs and fly.

 

[kearth]

There can be aggression even amongst the same species, so that is not valid reason as not to mix species..Should we warn people and advise them not to have more than 1 frog per tank.


The main reason people advice against mixing is hybridization, as most people assume people who actual manage to get offspring will sale them or give them to someone who will sell them. Again if your not selling or giving away the frogs there is nothing wrong with having Halfbreed frogs for your enjoyment unless you get 1 eyed purple people eaters with 8 legs and fly.

How is that not a valid reason? Example - if you house a leucomela with an auratus, the leuc will eat the majority of the food, the auratus will hide the majority of the time, get stressed and eventually die. I personally think that is a valid reason.

Now you should not house more than one female of the tincs together due to aggression but alot of them ( auratus, lecus, tricolors, etc) do just fine in groups.

I did not say anything about only have one frog in the tank. I was not disagreeing I will just also stating some of the information I have read as well.

Which dart frogs do you keep ?

 

[Algaerancher]

I get a few in the yard sometimes, they like my water lilly containers, they seem to enjoy eating ants and are fairly sensitive (they will usually run away when humans approach). They are supposed to be hard to take care of so they remain free range. Good luck with your project, make sur ethey get some sunlight on occasion.

this is a pic of the type not my picture

 

[jpstodwftexas]

I get a few in the yard sometimes, they like my water lilly containers, they seem to enjoy eating ants and are fairly sensitive (they will usually run away when humans approach). They are supposed to be hard to take care of so they remain free range. Good luck with your project, make sur ethey get some sunlight on occasion.

this is a pic of the type not my picture

Lucky you..

 

[jpstodwftexas]

How is that not a valid reason? Example - if you house a leucomela with an auratus, the leuc will eat the majority of the food, the auratus will hide the majority of the time, get stressed and eventually die. I personally think that is a valid reason.

Now you should not house more than one female of the tincs together due to aggression but alot of them ( auratus, lecus, tricolors, etc) do just fine in groups.

I did not say anything about only have one frog in the tank. I was not disagreeing I will just also stating some of the information I have read as well.

Which dart frogs do you keep ?

My Collection of Frogs and Geckos is
1 Flying Gecko
1 Chinese Cave Gecko
2 Marble Geckos
2 Golden Geckos
2 Bibron's Gecko
1 New Caledonian Crested
1 New Caledonian Gargoyle
2 Gold Dust Day Geckos
1 Leopard Geckos

3 Whites Tree Frogs
1 Blue webbed Gliding Frog
1 Leucamela

2 Chinese Fire Bellied Newts

Do I breed .... NO

Is there aggression amongst same species?
Do larger frogs of the same Species eat more than smaller ones?
Do Larger frogs dominate the same species?
Can you have a frog die even amongst the same species because it was timid and not eat enough or can it be bullied to death?

Or

Does this only happen in a Mixed tank?

 

[longliveledzep]

and if you have visited any of those sites and spent any time reading them you would see how bad hybrids are frowned upon.

There is no real point in mixing. even with a large tank. If you keep all of the same type together you get to see the way they interact with each other, the social networking so to speak. You mix you get to see how well they stress each other out and possible eventually die.

Like mixing azures with alanis. Both are tinctorius. Most alanis I see have dwarfed the azureus. Same thing with Matechos, again another tinc. Even with the "color morphs" as you call them they come from different places and act differently.

Go post that mixing is ok on DB and see what happens. Or even do a search for mixing and spend a few hours reading why it is not really a good thing.

where did i say hybrids were ok i was saying what can cross breed so if you do mix not mix them also there are mixed tanks on db http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/parts-construction/43615-large-vivarium-construction.html this one http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/pa...-new-wooden-hill-stream-tank-constr-jrnl.html there are more but i can't find them

 

[kearth]

My Collection of Frogs and Geckos is
1 Flying Gecko
1 Chinese Cave Gecko
2 Marble Geckos
2 Golden Geckos
2 Bibron's Gecko
1 New Caledonian Crested
1 New Caledonian Gargoyle
2 Gold Dust Day Geckos
1 Leopard Geckos

3 Whites Tree Frogs
1 Blue webbed Gliding Frog
1 Leucamela

2 Chinese Fire Bellied Newts

Do I breed .... NO

Is there aggression amongst same species?
Do larger frogs of the same Species eat more than smaller ones?
Do Larger frogs dominate the same species?
Can you have a frog die even amongst the same species because it was timid and not eat enough or can it be bullied to death?

Or

Does this only happen in a Mixed tank?

Yes there can be agression among same species. It happens mainly with female tincs. Most other frogs other than tincs can be kept happily in groups.

Larger frogs and smaller frogs should not be housed together regardless of a mixed tank or not.

I have a tank that has 5 leucs. One of the leucs is larger than the other 4 and there is no agression between the 5 of them.

A timid frogs that is being bullied should be pulled from the tank regardless if it is mixed or not.

I have my opinion, you have yours.



I can post non mixing threads all day too

Here is some one who did not have much of a clue that thought it was a good idea. But they also shoved I think 12 frogs into a small tank.

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/beginner-discussion/56009-mixing-can-done-tons-pictures.html

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/ge...makeing-hybrid-personal-collection-wrong.html

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/beginner-discussion/27177-hybrids-poll.html

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/beginner-discussion/40913-mix-mix-mix-mix.html