Dechlorinator nah?? or yah???

[Toby_H]

Does smoking cigarettes cause health problems in humans?

Someone may think “no” simply because they saw someone smoke a cigarette and that person didn’t show any signs of illness…

But let that person continually smoke cigarettes and over the years their health will definitely deteriorate. Well this same principal applies to our fish. Just because something doesn’t kill the fish on contact, doesn’t mean it’s not harming the fish…

Has anyone here kept a Cichlid for 10+ years in chlorinated tap water?...

 

[orbit]

Does smoking cigarettes cause health problems in humans?

Someone may think “no” simply because they saw someone smoke a cigarette and that person didn’t show any signs of illness…

But let that person continually smoke cigarettes and over the years their health will definitely deteriorate. Well this same principal applies to our fish. Just because something doesn’t kill the fish on contact, doesn’t mean it’s not harming the fish…

Has anyone here kept a Cichlid for 10+ years in chlorinated tap water?...

Only salt water... LOL and I don't know if thats the same..

 

[Chago09]

Aeration dissipates typical tap water quantities of Chlorine in about 24 hours…

Aeration does very little to dissipate Chlamorines…

Most municipalities around the civilized world use Chlamorines instead of, or as well as, chlorine…

In my opinion/experience… you got real lucky that you didn’t have any ill effects when you stopped using dechlorinator… To promote others to take this same risk hoping to get lucky like you did is both ignorant and rude…

I feel your comments in this thread are dangerous to other forum members… specifically these for the following reasons…



Suggesting that I am stupid enough to be falling for a scam is pretty rude. So if you are incorrect, you are owe every reader of this thread a personal apology.



More of the same…



In this quote you said chlorine has no ill effect on fish… what gives you the authority to make such an assumption when decades of science proves the opposite?



Far less than a 50/50 mix would be toxic to humans as well as fish. Providing false numbers to promote your false claim is both rude and ignorant of you.



More exaggerations to trick us into believing your false claims.


Note to the readers: Please do not accept random comments read in internet forums as fact… don’t be too lazy to play with google to verify ‘facts’…

The first and second quote you are correct, I used words that may have come off offensive, which I apologize for.

The third quote you took out of context. I was saying before that in "my tank" I was just speaking generally about "My" tank saying I add water first and there is no ill effects. Therefore when chlorine is at its highest point not making any effect why would it when its lower.

The fourth quote was not a serious comment, it is obviously sarcasm and I cant understand how you didn't pick that up. 50/50 chlorine and water??? come on


Lastly your putting words in my mouth. I never once said "hey everyone just put tap water in your tank and watch how good it works" You took lines out of context by making it seem like I'm promoting the use of chlorine water in tanks. I repeated myself saying that this could be only at my place and not all your cities. Thats where quote number 3 came in about the 50/50 mix and the swap water one. Your taking my sarcasm as an insult and a promotion for non chlorinated water. Where I said you shouldn't have problems, that was to another person who I said to TEST their water to see IF the chlorine was gone. Once again stop taking stuff out of context.

P.S. Use a different colour font so someone can actually read it

 

[Chago09]

First of all, good thread, but I need to know once and for all, what is "Prime"??? I see it all the time, "I use prime", "add prime", but what is "Prime"? Is it slang for water conditioner? Is is slang for Dechlor? Is it a brand name? Is it something else? Supposedly it removes ammonia... tell me about that.

Personally I use Stress coat. I do because I was told to. I know some of the arguements, but I am intrigued by idea of real facts on the topic. I went for almost of year of fish keeping(as a noob) without ever treating my water. I know it had chlorine, but I have no idea if it had chloromines, all I know is that it was very hard, lots of minerals. That being said the fish did great. Only after I moved back to this area was it pounded into me to use Stress coat. So I do. I buy it in Gallon jugs.

Redtail this is exactly why I started this thread. Because people like you who do things like this and never had any ill effects. Theres probably soo much. Now who am I to say that it has no ill effects??? I don't know I have fish almost a decade old....... aparently Mcdonalds won't kill me either?? I am not telling anyone DO NOT USE CHLORINATOR. I know I used the word scam which I should not have, although I just feel that it is since soooo many people have no problems without using it. Including a lot of local pet shops I've been too.

 

[Chago09]

I add prime as i am filling the tank directly from the tap and everything is fine. A while back i was doing wc when 2 of my friends show up with a 12 pack i got a buzz and got distracted and forgot to add the prime. I lost a batch of gt growouts they where in a 55gal i do a 50% wc so 27 gal of untreated water killed my cichlids in minutes.

Chango I will have to agree with cchcc that most folks will need prime to keep thier fish alive and healthy. I think u have some different water chemistry going on in Ontario and it will vary in all places evan city to city different water regs and all. Some newbe will read your first post and nothing else and kill thier pets at next wc.

I agree, and you raise good points. Although I can't help if a moron reads one sentance into a thread and follows it. If that was the case then there is a lot of having sex with doviis on this website. "Sex my dovii??" threads LOL

 

[lucy42083]

Well, I know a LOT of people in my area that do not use dechlorinator and do not have any ill effects - this is because many people around here have well water, and do not have any chlorine or chloramines in their water supply. So in that case, of course it's ok. I know several people that have lost large and hardy fish after forgetting to dechlorinate their water after a water change however. I believe that while some people's water chemistry may leave them fine without dechlorinator, for other people's water chemistry it could be very harmful if not deadly to the fish not to use it. So, IMO, considering how dirt-cheap Prime is, unless you know for a fact you do not have any chlorine or chloramines in your water, it would be better to 'err on the side of caution' and just use it. Why risk your fish?

 

[orbit]

LOL Chago09.... You have a very good looking fish! Trimac right?

Everyone!!!!

DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU err.... I MEAN YOUR TANK!

 

[Chago09]

nc_nutcase makes a very good point on the "decades of science" comment. i personally dont know about the ins and outs of water treatment. but i do think its arrogant to claim that a companies product is useless when their whole business is dealing with fish health and wellbeing. especially when you have no proof about the particular product mentioned. and to claim that a product does not work and just masks the metals is a very dangerous comment to make and im sure tetras lawyers may be interested in the slanderous comments made about their particular product. making defamatory statements is a very dangerous game to start playing.

your trying to have a debate about the rights and wrongs of dechlorinator yet when your theories are challenged by a nations laws you state "but about this I quote Tom Green "I know damn right!!" " you cant have a sensible debate with someone who thinks they know all about something. no one knows everything even if they work in a trade for 50 years their is always somehting new to learn about it.

LOL really, r u serious?? I am slandering??? did I mention any name brand or product name??? exactly!!!

As for a product that takes something and changes its make up into another form. Is actually perfectly legal, I sell it everyday. If I have an iron issue that is damaging something lets just say a squirt gun. If you can change the science of the iron and make it iron ferrite. Iron ferrite will not be detected by a iron test, instead only by a iron ferrite test. Iron ferrite does not bother the squirt gun like the iron did. Their for its a great product. A perfetly legal product. Although it does not REMOVE the iron like you said. Chlorine does not dissolve in water which is why it evaporates. Iron IS dissolved in water and their isn't a magic potion that just makes it evaporate into the sky. And if there is I can assure you its not aquarium safe. Once again don't call me arrogant when your speaking from complete ignorance. Also don't try to scare me with legal this legal that when no where did I mention a brand or a company

 

[jackdaniel]

I was seriously starting to believe that no one, anywhere, had to use dechlorinator and that tap water was safe for all fish everywhere and that it was a marketing "scam," and then I got to the end here and slapped myself for believing it.

 

[Chago09]

Chago09, the tone of your posts is arrogant and condescending, so don't be surprised if the tone of some responses don't meet the criteria of "big boy talk" or whatever.

I also have anecdotal evidence that my local tapwater is not healthy for fish. I once put a 6" male mota into a quarentine tank full of tapwater that I forgot to dechlorinate. It clamped up and sat at the bottom until I figured out my mistake. It almost immediately perked up and began acting normally once I added Prime.

I am also willing to bet that certain species of fish are more sensitive to Chlorine than others, particularly those that encounter stable water conditions in their native habitat, rift lake fish and reef fish for example.

jowens, I apologized for using the word scam. I shouldn't have used that. I mentioned a few times that every area is not the same as mine and I know that. That is why I started the thread and was telling the people who voted no to explain why they don't and if they do anything different. Obvioulsy in your area my statements are 100% false, and I know that.