DIY Cichla Pellets - Monster Fish Keepers Style!

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I also meant to mention that I've read numerous times that smaller pellets do make it easier for fish to digest. I'm only mentioning this in reference to your "puck sized" pellets, the ones you just made seem to be a good size for your fish imo.
 
RD. said:
My comment wasn't based on an opinion, it's based on decades of scientific data, and real world experience.

Another thing to add to the mix, no one on MFK has fish large enough to feed hockey puck sized pellets. lol

In commercial aquaculture 24" trout/salmon are fed 5-6mm pellets, 8 ft sturgeon are fed 10-12mm pellets.
These sizes have been designed for maximum assimilation & digestion by the fish. Too large and a lot of the food simply gets wasted via chewing, or is poorly digested, which again equates to wasted food, and wasted $$$.

Feeding your home made mix for a year, or two, or three, isn't going to prove anything unless you are willing to allow some of your fish to be killed & have a full necropsy performed. This is what takes place in real world aquaculture studies, one doesn't just account for growth and/or color to guage the overall health of a fish. You can only see & learn so much by making visual comparisons with the naked eye.
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You can't always base aquaculture facts on aquaria issues, much of what aquaculturists do is to enhance fish growth and make the nutrition better for human consumption. These fish aren't being raised to live for 10 years.
 
You can't always base aquaculture facts on aquaria issues, much of what aquaculturists do is to enhance fish growth and make the nutrition better for human consumption. These fish aren't being raised to live for 10 years.
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No kidding. But when it comes to proper assimilation & digestion, and pellet sizes, which is what I was referencing in that post, my comment was spot on.

I can either try & help the OP & others here, or I can spend my time doing other things. I'm not here to argue with people that have little to no understanding on this subject, to the point that they don't even understand the difference between ascorbic acid used in vitamins designed for humans, and the far more stable forms of vitamin c (L-Ascorby-2-Polyphosphate ) that have been used in commercial fish food for the past 20 yrs or so.

And Hulon, we all know that you luv Hikari - the point of this excercise was to provide some less costly alternatives.
 
RD. said:
My comment wasn't based on an opinion, it's based on decades of scientific data, and real world experience.

Another thing to add to the mix, no one on MFK has fish large enough to feed hockey puck sized pellets. lol

In commercial aquaculture 24" trout/salmon are fed 5-6mm pellets, 8 ft sturgeon are fed 10-12mm pellets.
These sizes have been designed for maximum assimilation & digestion by the fish. Too large and a lot of the food simply gets wasted via chewing, or is poorly digested, which again equates to wasted food, and wasted $$$.

Feeding your home made mix for a year, or two, or three, isn't going to prove anything unless you are willing to allow some of your fish to be killed & have a full necropsy performed. This is what takes place in real world aquaculture studies, one doesn't just account for growth and/or color to guage the overall health of a fish. You can only see & learn so much by making visual comparisons with the naked eye.
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Who pissed in your Wheaties? :chillpill:
 
Very good feedback guy's :clap

And I would agree, it needs some fine tuning. Thing is people have done this for years and years and you can find this method all over the internet and other fish forums. This is not my invention...lol It's already been done and by many people for many years. Anyway, You should take a trip to one of these fish pellet factories...I have...Gross!! It will open your eyes to how those pellets are really made and what really goes into them...lol Don't take my word for it, see for yourself. Mainly made from leftover garbage and unwanted scraps of fish and shrimp etc.. Anyway I won't get into it but it's not as you'd hope it would be...

So use fish meal, krill meal and "fish safe" vitamins...lol throw them in your refrigerator..Who cares! Have fun with it and do your own thing was the whole point here.


BTW -Science is all theoretical...
 
RD. said:
My comment wasn't based on an opinion, it's based on decades of scientific data, and real world experience.

Another thing to add to the mix, no one on MFK has fish large enough to feed hockey puck sized pellets. lol

In commercial aquaculture 24" trout/salmon are fed 5-6mm pellets, 8 ft sturgeon are fed 10-12mm pellets.
These sizes have been designed for maximum assimilation & digestion by the fish. Too large and a lot of the food simply gets wasted via chewing, or is poorly digested, which again equates to wasted food, and wasted $$$.

Feeding your home made mix for a year, or two, or three, isn't going to prove anything unless you are willing to allow some of your fish to be killed & have a full necropsy performed. This is what takes place in real world aquaculture studies, one doesn't just account for growth and/or color to guage the overall health of a fish. You can only see & learn so much by making visual comparisons with the naked eye.
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RD. said:
No kidding. But when it comes to proper assimilation & digestion, and pellet sizes, which is what I was referencing in that post, my comment was spot on.

I can either try & help the OP & others here, or I can spend my time doing other things. I'm not here to argue with people that have little to no understanding on this subject, to the point that they don't even understand the difference between ascorbic acid used in vitamins designed for humans, and the far more stable forms of vitamin c (L-Ascorby-2-Polyphosphate ) that have been used in commercial fish food for the past 20 yrs or so.

And Hulon, we all know that you luv Hikari - the point of this excercise was to provide some less costly alternatives.
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Ok I see you know i like Hikari;)Point taken my whole reason to post on here was to actually add my two cents and if you can believe it help !!!! I think yo have alot of great info for people to hear the point is alot of times you come off like a jerk when typing your responses !!!!! I am sure i do also !~!!!! I am not tryen to hurt your post and this thread i am tryen to help cool??? In the long run Monster Just try it and let everybody on this thread know OK I don't know your feeding routine But fish cannot absorb the awsome nutrients we feed them not even close and myself included "WE" on this forum and others Grossly over feed our fish they need much Much less then we actually think and in the end that saves $$$$$$ get my drift?????
 
MonsterPeacock said:
Very good feedback guy's :clap

And I would agree, it needs some fine tuning. Thing is people have done this for years and years and you can find this method all over the internet and other fish forums. This is not my invention...lol It's already been done and by many people for many years. Anyway, You should take a trip to one of these fish pellet factories...I have...Gross!! It will open your eyes to how those pellets are really made and what really goes into them...lol Don't take my word for it, see for yourself. Mainly made from leftover garbage and unwanted scraps of fish and shrimp etc.. Anyway I won't get into it but it's not as you'd hope it would be...

So use fish meal, krill meal and "fish safe" vitamins...lol throw them in your refrigerator..Who cares! Have fun with it and do your own thing was the whole point here.


BTW -Science is all theoretical...
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Cool you got it Have fun with it;)
 
RD. said:
Another thing to add to the mix, no one on MFK has fish large enough to feed hockey puck sized pellets. lol
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This is the kind of thing that I hate MOST about this forum...

How the hell do you know that I don't have a 250lbs red tail that that could swallow your dame head...make a puck size pellet a snack...YOU Don't! And I absolutely have catfish more then big enough to eat a puck sized pellet and why I said it. I feed them whole 1.5lbs to 2lbs mackerel now....

But let me guess, you know everything - what a joke-
 
MonsterPeacock said:
This is the kind of thing that I hate MOST about this forum...

How the hell do you know that I don't have a 250lbs red tail that that could swallow your dame head...make a puck size pellet a snack...YOU Don't! And I absolutely have catfish more then big enough to eat a puck sized pellet and why I said it. I feed them whole 1.5lbs to 2lbs mackerel now....

But let me guess, you know everything - what a joke-
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Not Cool Either Monster :(Cmon Guys this forum needs help by giving using sharing And me personally i love this forum And like i say i am guilty myself of this same type of wise ass comments but in the end the thread gets shut down and "nobody learns anything Cmon guys's
 
:DLet's build not tear down!!!!:D
 
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