Hello; Good points. The four I thought of donating have never been used and are still in a bag. The bag has been opened to the air however for over a year. These are construction grade masks. Thanks.
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Oh thats good that they were not used
Open to the air for a year could render them un-useful for even protection of dust. They would however stop larger wet particulate.
Sorry I use respirators for a living and also conduct fit testing for people who need to Donne a respirator and know a bit about the use of masks ? I work around a lot of hazardous materials
Being an ex car painter, I own a professional respirator.
But try to buy a cartridge filter!
I'll have to do the Apollo 13 thing with duct tape and crew socks!
But try to buy a cartridge filter!
I'll have to do the Apollo 13 thing with duct tape and crew socks!
BTW, I was thinking that for years I had a recurring disease, like mild malaria maybe.
But it's all allergic reactions to things I'm doing. Sanding certain woods. Working with aromatic resins and keytones, silicones, epoxies, etc. paints, and fuels and other products. I have congestion and general random itching. Even with masks, I have problems after for two days min.
In the future I may restrict myself from doing finishing work. Of course I'm building a new desk and only half through.
Fortunately the polyurethane finish isn't causing problems like the baltic birchwood.
But it's all allergic reactions to things I'm doing. Sanding certain woods. Working with aromatic resins and keytones, silicones, epoxies, etc. paints, and fuels and other products. I have congestion and general random itching. Even with masks, I have problems after for two days min.
In the future I may restrict myself from doing finishing work. Of course I'm building a new desk and only half through.
Fortunately the polyurethane finish isn't causing problems like the baltic birchwood.
Started 4/6/2020 Hello; About the numbers. Always bear in mind that the projections we have been getting are mostly educated guesses at best. I go along with the notion we must give the experts benefit of the doubt to some degree. However the range of predictive numbers among the experts predictions is much too great and is not tracking reality on the ground so far. It seems there are still some unknowns along with some not fully known things about the covid 19 virus itself. Also unknowns regarding the capacity of health care systems to deal with the disease and about possible treatments. We just do not know how many are now infected and more to the point how many have been infected in total.
At least two things skew the numbers to some degree. One being only a relatively small number of folks have tested been compared to the total population. I see this branch of testing being a big item in the news. Since it is not anywhere near possible yet to test all, my thinking being this is a thing of lesser importance. The exception of course is when people are ill. Testing the sick is very important so the care givers can take proper steps. If I feel OK and get a test just to find out, then the results are of little value to me as an individual. I could become infected within hours after a test result.
Another is we do not know with any real confidence the number of those who have been infected and recovered but had mild or no symptoms at all. The guess I have been seeing is an estimate of 25% have the disease without showing any symptoms. I figure it must be a guess based on some things the experts have seen but cannot quantify more specifically. My first personal guess is among the number of folks that have been tested and shown to be infected there must be some significant portion showing little to no symptoms. Is it 25%? Maybe, but it may turn out to be more or even less. Time may tell. So I am going to use 25% for now.
I did some figuring and came up with this. Multiply the known tested cases by 1.3333 to get a very rough estimate of the potential number of total cases. So if for example only there are 75,000 known tested cases I get 99,998 cases. Pretty close to the 25% estimate. So today (4-6-2020) (numbers following from that day) I see 356,942 known tested cases in the USA. That would yield around 475,910 cases total using the 25% no symptoms estimate.
As an exercise I tried to calculate a death rate using that number. The deaths due to covid 19 is at 10,524 in the USA. So I divide 10,524 by 475,910 and get 0.022. Am I correct that this is a 2.2% rate?
My continuing opinion remains that an antibody test is the more important test with regard to the whole population. The antibody test will be the more crucial in terms of ending the shutdowns and shelter in place orders. Back in late January thru early February I had a few weeks of a dry cough with a low fever from time to time. At the time I laid it off to the somewhat radical weather swings going on. Near record high temperatures followed by cold spells additionally dosed with excess rain. My area already has over 20 inches of rain over normal already for the year. Now I hope it was covid19. If so I am ok for a while, maybe a year or so. I will not know until the antibody test is available.
I do not want a test for the active infection unless I get sick,. But the antibody test will give vital information. If I have anti-bodies I can be out and about without much fear of becoming infected as I should be immune for a particular strain. I can go to work if needed and so on. One caution might be warranted. That being some understanding of how long the recovered continue to shed virus. My unsupported guess being less than ten days, probably only two or three days.
At least two things skew the numbers to some degree. One being only a relatively small number of folks have tested been compared to the total population. I see this branch of testing being a big item in the news. Since it is not anywhere near possible yet to test all, my thinking being this is a thing of lesser importance. The exception of course is when people are ill. Testing the sick is very important so the care givers can take proper steps. If I feel OK and get a test just to find out, then the results are of little value to me as an individual. I could become infected within hours after a test result.
Another is we do not know with any real confidence the number of those who have been infected and recovered but had mild or no symptoms at all. The guess I have been seeing is an estimate of 25% have the disease without showing any symptoms. I figure it must be a guess based on some things the experts have seen but cannot quantify more specifically. My first personal guess is among the number of folks that have been tested and shown to be infected there must be some significant portion showing little to no symptoms. Is it 25%? Maybe, but it may turn out to be more or even less. Time may tell. So I am going to use 25% for now.
I did some figuring and came up with this. Multiply the known tested cases by 1.3333 to get a very rough estimate of the potential number of total cases. So if for example only there are 75,000 known tested cases I get 99,998 cases. Pretty close to the 25% estimate. So today (4-6-2020) (numbers following from that day) I see 356,942 known tested cases in the USA. That would yield around 475,910 cases total using the 25% no symptoms estimate.
As an exercise I tried to calculate a death rate using that number. The deaths due to covid 19 is at 10,524 in the USA. So I divide 10,524 by 475,910 and get 0.022. Am I correct that this is a 2.2% rate?
My continuing opinion remains that an antibody test is the more important test with regard to the whole population. The antibody test will be the more crucial in terms of ending the shutdowns and shelter in place orders. Back in late January thru early February I had a few weeks of a dry cough with a low fever from time to time. At the time I laid it off to the somewhat radical weather swings going on. Near record high temperatures followed by cold spells additionally dosed with excess rain. My area already has over 20 inches of rain over normal already for the year. Now I hope it was covid19. If so I am ok for a while, maybe a year or so. I will not know until the antibody test is available.
I do not want a test for the active infection unless I get sick,. But the antibody test will give vital information. If I have anti-bodies I can be out and about without much fear of becoming infected as I should be immune for a particular strain. I can go to work if needed and so on. One caution might be warranted. That being some understanding of how long the recovered continue to shed virus. My unsupported guess being less than ten days, probably only two or three days.
Hello; I had Washington Journal on C-SPAN on in the background this morning. A fellow was complaining he could not get the malaria/lupus drug so he could have it as a just in case. I got to thinking about this. I guess if you could be constantly taking the drug while healthy it might help if the stories going around turn out to be true. One story from a doctor is that among a decent number of his lupus patients (maybe 80?) on the drug none have yet to become infected. So he might have to be taking the drug for over a year while we wait on a vaccine.
I guess if he just had the drug around so he could have it if he ever tested positive, that might work. I hope if I get infected the doctor I see will use the drug and my state will allow it's use.
On to the other story which caught my eye. Seems Dr. Fauci thinks we should never shake hands again according to an article. Never again? This may tell us more about his mind set and attitude. I sort of get it because back when I did service work on a friends 1972 Porsche 911 he would get me to fix it to a standard less than I used on my own cars. Just good enough to keep it on the road so to speak. I went along for most things other than the brakes. I have avoided hand shakes lately for sure, but never again?
We have had outbreaks before and things have pretty much gone back to normal. I guess I am figuring to do some level of taking precautions if we ever get released to be out and about. I understand this virus will linger about for a long time and very well could become like the flu.
When they first started talking about flattening the infection curve I got the impression mainly this was to spread out the infections over time so the health care systems would not be overwhelmed and we each would have a better chance of having a bed and/or ventilator if we happen to get sick enough to need it. To buy some time for production to ramp up of materials needed. Near as I can tell now that has been accomplished. For whatever reason the really die predictions have not played out. Back when I first posted the prediction was for over two million dead if we did nothing and over a million even if we did. Well very good news he actual infections and deaths are many times less than that now.
I guess if he just had the drug around so he could have it if he ever tested positive, that might work. I hope if I get infected the doctor I see will use the drug and my state will allow it's use.
On to the other story which caught my eye. Seems Dr. Fauci thinks we should never shake hands again according to an article. Never again? This may tell us more about his mind set and attitude. I sort of get it because back when I did service work on a friends 1972 Porsche 911 he would get me to fix it to a standard less than I used on my own cars. Just good enough to keep it on the road so to speak. I went along for most things other than the brakes. I have avoided hand shakes lately for sure, but never again?
We have had outbreaks before and things have pretty much gone back to normal. I guess I am figuring to do some level of taking precautions if we ever get released to be out and about. I understand this virus will linger about for a long time and very well could become like the flu.
When they first started talking about flattening the infection curve I got the impression mainly this was to spread out the infections over time so the health care systems would not be overwhelmed and we each would have a better chance of having a bed and/or ventilator if we happen to get sick enough to need it. To buy some time for production to ramp up of materials needed. Near as I can tell now that has been accomplished. For whatever reason the really die predictions have not played out. Back when I first posted the prediction was for over two million dead if we did nothing and over a million even if we did. Well very good news he actual infections and deaths are many times less than that now.
Somebody has too much time on their hands and too much toilet paper.
Yikes... I’ve just been cleaning little more and doing what home projects I can with what I have...
hopefully turning a corner, I feel for the folks on the east coat....
Hang in there folks! Hopefully another 30 days of less...
then we return to work all wearing masks and working differently than we previously did if at all...
hopefully turning a corner, I feel for the folks on the east coat....
Hang in there folks! Hopefully another 30 days of less...
then we return to work all wearing masks and working differently than we previously did if at all...
Hello; I am already very worried about the economy now. I do not see how we can stand another 30 days. I am retired so not a big loss for me but my sister in law, my nephew and his wife are laid off for some time and my brother is on reduced days last I heard.
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