Id so go for it, thats a pretty good deal. At least in my area where EBJD go for 60 bucks for a 2in fish
Electric Blue Jack Dempsey Questions
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Yours really have grown. Just kind of remeasured mine hes at 5 inches long his growth slowed down quiet a bit when he hit 4 inches. My bgjd thats a little younger is about 6 inches long or perhaps a little longer.
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Yours looks like hes a couple months old in the video june 30th. He looks good at that stage.
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unsure if this has already been covered but if you do get one, go into the mindset that you'll likely have something genetically wrong with it. when you get mutations in ANY animal (and humans frankly) there are downsides even if they aren't obvious. I.e. white dogs are more prone to blindness and deafness, but even less obvious issues like allergies and stomach issues. the same rule seems to apply to ebjd, likely due to the heavy inbreeding and defects linked to the electric gene. you may get an obvious defect like misshapen faces, but it's possible you'll get something internal. It's no biggie, just prepare yourself it can show at any size. I've got a beautiful ebjd, but it went blind in one eye and soon the other. externally it's stunning, but it's clear something is wrong with it's brain.
[video=youtube;BeziPzEBaro]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeziPzEBaro[/video] not sure how old he was but he was less than a inch, went back and got another on july 17 that was the same size as the first 2 and you can see the growth of the first 2 in this vid.
This is why only the strongest survive in nature. And this is why u have to have a culling process when breeding anything a healty breeding program has to be built over time not just putting together anything that will breed. I have been breeding inbreed dogs for years when u breed best to the best u eliminate alot of the defects and u also need to know when to line breed and outcross. Argentina dogos are a white breed i have personaly talked to the family who created these dogs and they dont sell or breed dogs that dont match the standard of why they are created. Therefore they put out dogs with very few defects. How ever these same dogs over here are breed for nothing but size and color and put out dogs with tons of defects, what really gets me is a lot of the bad breeders charge more for dogs than the family who created the breed and who breed the dogs correctly. Your use of the color white in dogs is not a very good example because 99% of the dogs around are breed for nothing but looks, where white dogs that are breed for function can be screened and culled to greatly reduce defeacts.
Lots of different info and advices here but if you wana raise an ebjd for the first time, id advise you to follow some of these suggestions if you want a healthy one (since yours most likely wil have weak genetic strain)
Feed flakes only until 4". Pref NLS flakes with garlic. Then pellets that are easy to digest like super soft Spirulina
My breeder and same with Rick Coyes strongest ebjd in the hobby raised hundreds of blues w/o heater,
so anything 80 deg or over is not recommended
No bloodworms or beefheart. This can bloat the blues into getting SBD
Basically you want to minimize stress, as stress is a huge impact on their immune system getting weaker and thus getting sick. If you can keep them solo or with other blues, thats the best route.
First pic is Ricks blue, biggest in the hobby
2nd pic was mine raised only on flakes
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Feed flakes only until 4". Pref NLS flakes with garlic. Then pellets that are easy to digest like super soft Spirulina
My breeder and same with Rick Coyes strongest ebjd in the hobby raised hundreds of blues w/o heater,
so anything 80 deg or over is not recommended
No bloodworms or beefheart. This can bloat the blues into getting SBD
Basically you want to minimize stress, as stress is a huge impact on their immune system getting weaker and thus getting sick. If you can keep them solo or with other blues, thats the best route.
First pic is Ricks blue, biggest in the hobby
2nd pic was mine raised only on flakes
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I posted my first EBJD and was told by endo not to feed worms feed nls and spirluia flakes. I stuck to my plan and have been greatly rewarded my EBJDs are all growing into beast. At the end of the day you have to follow your gut because people will lead you in all kinds of directions with guessing and hearsay. The false info always changes first it was no worms at all then after me and a few others show healty EBJDs on worms it changed to no worms for EBJDs under 3-4 inches. [video=youtube;Qbe4QnFgDLE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbe4QnFgDLE[/video] i posted this video of rics jacks eating the worms even the lil guy in the vid and it changed to live worms are ok but not frozen. Now that a few people have been using the frozen its now only strong genetic strains can have worms but my EBJDs are just of the mill lfs EBJDs my first one came from a different store and was a lil different and he was $29.99 the rest were $15.99. They had over 50 in the tank and i took my time and picked what i thought were the best fish out the tank(a big advantage of buying from the lfs) they had a lot of deformed ones and some really blue ones . So i dont belive mine are geneticly better i just picked better specimens for the program i want to start. I say take your time pick some good ones give them a varied diet that does include worms and u should be fine. I am yet to see anyone match the growth of my EBJDs without using worms.
I wasn't speaking about breeding white dogs actually. I was simply stated that fully white dogs, like albino (not just a white coloration) is a mutation and it can be linked to other issues. Albino for any animal just tends to be toxic. Like there is NO true albino horses, they are all still born or die soon after birth because of how dangerous the gene is in horses. Linebreeding is a common way to produce a desired trait that is normally recessive, but even breeding good stock with good stock has it's consequences. The more you inbreed, the more problems arise as the defects start to pop up. Hence why purebred dogs tend to have more issues than a mutt, and "teacup" or other type traits have even more issues.
The same thing can be said about the EBJD it's a recessive gene and in order to produce it, it has downfalls. I'm not slamming the coloration, I enjoy my fish! I'm just stating that whether you can see an issue or not, there is likely SOMETHING wrong with the fish. It can be as obvious as a malformed head or less noticeable like a stomach issue.
Here is a photo of my ebjd, the very bottom photo next to a 2 liter for perspective (using for a cichlid trap to catch a smaller fish that day) My knowledge comes from understanding the basics of genetics in animals, not from the breeding of these beautiful fish. I don't claim to be an expert on the history of this fish either. For all I know they could have introduced a wild caught jack dempsey that's a carrier to help strengthen the gene pool, which is hopefully what they will do if it hasn't already been done. My info was just based on facts to mutations, as a dogo breeder you should be well aware of the issues that come along with breeding, especially with such a large breed that is likely prone to common issues like hip dysplasia and bloat.
