Electric Blue Jack Dempsey ??

[knifegill]

For the record, I have seen both true EBJD's and some sort of carpintis or texas hybrid being sold as the same around here. So just because a shop owner writes a name on a tank, it's still up to the customer to know what they are seeing.

 

[denis]

bonjour.j ai un couple d electric blue je n arrive pas a les reproduirent.les oeufs moissisent rapidement .je pense qu il faut croiser la souche avec des rocio octofasciatum mais il est vrai que peu d informations circulent sur l electric blue.a mon avis il s agit d une variante naturelle du rocio octofasciatum.

 

[Sab_Fan]

Its not rocket science try to follow along.

Take two wild JDs and get ebjds from them, since the blue gene is not man made some wild jds should carry it. If ebjd is not man made you should be able to get ebjds from a wild jd pair. Understand ?

why do you think this has not / cannot be done?

Thus my point is if they are natural as you all say some JD breeder NOT BGJD EBJD/JD but two normal wild caught JD breeder should have gotten a few EBJD and ran to a fish forum to tell of his find.

yes, and then we would also have to have taken the extraordinary step of separating the weak ones, before they were killed or culled

I don't care if its a hybrid or not, but given the money that these fish go for and the elitist fish keeper attitude towards hybrids. It would not surprise me is some one was pulling wool over your eyes.

that part we can agree on, but only as an excpetion. i.e., I don't doubt that some unscrupulous breeders would try to pass a hbyrid as an EBJD, or sell a regular JD as a blue-gene JD

Do you not get it, basically the guy took two normal JDs had them breed and got ebjds he just happen to notice them. If it is that natural you SHOULD be able to get ebjds from a wild pair of JDs. It be super rare but it also should have happend more then once in the hobby.

again, it does happen over and over again, but it can only be "discovered" once . . . and this has all happened in the last 25 years, which is a blink-in-the-eye in terms of time

I find it a bit suspicious no one else has ever gotten a few ebjds from their wild natural pure JD spawn. (not bgjd ebjd as they all date back to this guys fish)

I am following you perfectly, I just don't agree with your argument at all

you keep implying it's not "natural" because only one guy did it, and only one time. I agree the fellow in Uruguay was the first to do this, but why do you think he is the only one to do it?

you don't need to understand rocket science, you need to understand genetics . . . the blue-gene follows Mendelian genetic characteristics for a recessive gene. the only way to get EBJD is if both parents have the gene

your argument appears to be that you think a mad-scientist in Uruguay created a recessive blue-gene and then imprinted it into his JD stock . . . and you think he is using that to permit a great fraud on the fishkeepers of the world?

sorry, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that . . . and I feel pretty comfortable about my position . . .

no hard feelings, I'm sure

 

[Szar]

No mad scientist, but the guy has profited from it right. I just believe it would have happened to some other breeder, especially after EGJD gained in popularity and they knew about it. That and they could have seriouly profited from it by being on the look out for some unusually fry. Not much extra effort on their part for a potential huge pay out.

I agree to disagree, and I'm happy questioning things and not blindly trusting in the ebjd origins.

 

[Sab_Fan]

No mad scientist, but the guy has profited from it right. I just believe it would have happened to some other breeder, especially after EGJD gained in popularity and they knew about it. That and they could have seriouly profited from it by being on the look out for some unusually fry. Not much extra effort on their part for a potential huge pay out.

I agree to disagree, and I'm happy questioning things and not blindly trusting in the ebjd origins.

no worries

Question: are EBJDs still rare/expensive in your area?

prices have dropped down here (Florida) . . . and I think it is because so many breeders can put these fish out . . . the EBJD is just no big deal any more . . .

how many color morphs would exist in nature? we have color morphs of Convicts, JDs, Discus, Oscars, Betta, etc., all different kinds, and I don't think all of them would exist w/o human intervention (?)

selective breeding is just something we humans like to do . . . we meddle with the forces of nature

 

[Szar]

Around 30/35 in private lfs (no tax), 40/47 (+tax) at Big als. Iv managed to get fry for under 20. They are still pretty expensive and occasional in the store. The people selling them are pretty ignorant of their needs.

Will get 2/3 for big als soon, they are very dark ones much different then their previous ones which were pale powder blue.

Selective breeding is thing of the past, genetic engineering woo hooo. Red purple blue ebjd coming soon lol.

 

[Gruff Master]

They are $10 each at 2-4" here.

 

[knifegill]

They are $10 each at 2-4" here.

Time for some profiteering, man. Buy 'em up and sell them here. Or something. They are still at their lowest $25 around here.

 

[Gruff Master]

Time for some profiteering, man. Buy 'em up and sell them here. Or something. They are still at their lowest $25 around here.

I have an empty tank running in the garage. Thought about stocking it with Festae fry to sell but this EBJD thing may be better

 

[knifegill]

Yeah. I'd do it. Almost no work, as long as customer pays shipping and you have the boxes at hand. Free money. Oh, yeah.