Electric Blue Jack Dempsey ??
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stuckinthemiddle;4476327; said:You sound as if you are some sort of professor and work at a University....
And one day after finding out that 1/3 of the class flunked exam #1
Gruff Master;4476335; said:
My lfs gets EBJDs from a Florida farm. The guy told me he got them for $2.5 a piece at 1.5-2".
Szar;4476192; said:
Hector Luzardo is not about to "come clean" about anything, pretty sure he is dead
found an interesting passage in Tropical Fish Hobbyist (Aug 2009 issue); it is a quote from Jeff Rapps:
The original breeder had nothing to gain by publically fabricating the origin of the fish. I know him well. He is by trade a painter, an honest man with strong family values. As he told me years ago [the only thing he deserves credit for] is the fact that he recognized the difference in some fry produced by a pair of normal Dempseys and raised them up.
I'm sure it won't end the debate/discussion, but it does seem like most of the facts come down on the side of the EBJD being a genuine and unique discovery . . .
EBJD do not have to be in-bred. Many breeders are lazy, and know you cannot see deformaties at 1 or 2 inches, so they can sell them easily. The genetically strong EBJD is not in-bred.
Well.... Imo, since ebjds originated from a single source, and the accepted breeding process was to breed dad with daughter, I think it's a stretch to think that all ebjds are not "inbred". Whether the inbreeding is expressed or not is another issue entirely. The fact that so many ebjds end up with issues is almost certainly the result of this inbreeding, but even so, you can get perfect-looking ebjds from the same hatch that produces the worst-looking specimens you can imagine. Doesn't mean they aren't all "inbred".Stevie p;4723162; said:
I must thank Peathenster for such an excellent presentation on genetics that you would learn in any introductory genetics class and he is absolutely correct. The EBJD is not a hybrid, but a product of rare recessive traits found in JDs with the corresponding gene. Just think about how some people are born with green or grey eyes. These eye colors are fairly rare, but they occur due to the presence of the recessive genes that the parents of the offspring carry (I am aware of the fact that people dont get culled or killed off in the wild but bear with me). However, no matter what you say these eye colors are natural, but require a special set of conditions that each parent must fulfill. Now if you wanted to create a bunch of these crazy eyed offspring then you would do exactly what most EBJD breeders do (it sounds nasty as hell but its true, blame genetics). Obviously, there would be severe consequences for such selective breeding, which is why we are seeing such deformities in most EBJDs. The reason that there are so many problems with the EBJDs on the market is due to the fact that breeding EBJDs requires a substantial amount of time, money, and effort (imagine the costs of trying to breed and raise a bunch of grey eyed children). I mean why look for a EBJD from another bloodline from another person (if there is one near you) when you can just use the daughter? Hopefully, through responsible breeding we can produce EBJDs without the deformities that can be sold at a reasonable price, so that everyone can enjoy their beauty without the price and fear of them randomly dying
