electrical outlet question..

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
torontoleafs_rock;1172908; said:
i would still recommend a gfi plug to keep u 100% safe.... plus if water ever gets in one of the plugs it will keep n e one from being electicuted

GFCIs will not keep you 100% safe. In the right conditions (damp) water can have enough resistance that the GFCI will not react to it. In order for a gfci to work, there must be a difference of amperage flowing on the energized conductor and returning on the neutral. Generally this happen when current goes to ground.
 
JEAE21;1172815; said:
well after all the good and scary advice you guys gave me..
I will have to have someone show me in person..will call the electricity guy.

i'll go find a powerstrip??(the multitask thing) that has a long cord

red devil..what was the fire caused from..and is your tank glass?

not sure exactly but short in outlit.. did not trip circuit breaker.the way it should have.during a power surge..caused fire under tank in the closet part of stand and the heat from the fire caused glass on the bottom of tank to explode.lost pacu and had to replace all ceiling tiles from smoke etc.. it was an all glass tank..best you do this right and get electrician.. just to make sure all is well... thank fully we were able to save every other fish and all the other tanks.. but lesson was learned to always make sure you have the right size breaker and make sure you have outlets that trip .. either themselves or circuit breaker.
 
Red Devil;1172959; said:
not sure exactly but short in outlit.. did not trip circuit breaker.the way it should have.during a power surge..caused fire under tank in the closet part of stand and the heat from the fire caused glass on the bottom of tank to explode.lost pacu and had to replace all ceiling tiles from smoke etc.. it was an all glass tank..best you do this right and get electrician.. just to make sure all is well... thank fully we were able to save every other fish and all the other tanks.. but lesson was learned to always make sure you have the right size breaker and make sure you have outlets that trip .. either themselves or circuit breaker.

Liz theere is a possilility that your fire was started from arc tracking. This can happen even with proper breakers and GFCI protection. I have seen extension cords with ends burnt and melted from this.

Basically water acts as a electrical pathway, there are minerals in water that can keep the path even after the water has evaporated. To where the path becomes greater causing more heat and possibly a fire.

Dont know for sure just my opinon/experience
 
Thanks. will be getting a electritian to check before setting it up
 
torontoleafs_rock;1173027; said:
just tell me your models for equipment u will be using and i can tell u if you will have an overload problem... i'm currently in an electrical apprenticeship

You could tell him the potential load of his combined aquarium equipment, but since this is being plugged into a general purpose outlet(with 4-5 other outlets) circut, you can't tell him whether or not he will overload this circut without knowing the all the other loads on that circut.

You need to finish your apprenticeship first, then do online electrical once you are liscensed.
 
well i c that u r an electrician but maybe u could wait for him 2 respond so i could possibly finish my advice ... u act like i'm trying 2 do more than just try and help this person and possibly save him a service call from an electrician i know they like 2 charge large amounts just for showing up
 
Bderick67;1172988; said:
Liz theere is a possilility that your fire was started from arc tracking. This can happen even with proper breakers and GFCI protection. I have seen extension cords with ends burnt and melted from this.

Basically water acts as a electrical pathway, there are minerals in water that can keep the path even after the water has evaporated. To where the path becomes greater causing more heat and possibly a fire.

Dont know for sure just my opinon/experience

That is exactly what our electrician thinks happened..i just could not explain all of that..you have a great knowledge and sure glad to have someone like you to tell folks on MFK..thank you ;)
 
Red Devil;1173069; said:
That is exactly what our electrician thinks happened..i just could not explain all of that..you have a great knowledge and sure glad to have someone like you to tell folks on MFK..thank you ;)

Here is a better written expination, exept it happens much more then the article leads you to believe

http://www.interfire.org/res_file/92114-10.asp

14-9.4.4.* Arc Tracking. Arcs may occur on surfaces of nonconductive materials if they become contaminated with salts, conductive dusts, or liquids. It is thought that small leakage currents through such contamination causes degradation of the base material leading to the arc discharge, charring or igniting combustible materials around the arc. Arc tracking is a known phenomenon at high voltages. It has also been reported in experimental studies in 120/240-V ac systems.

Electrical current will flow through water or moisture only when that water or moisture contains contaminants such as dirt, dusts, salts, or mineral deposits. This stray current may promote electrochemical changes that can lead to electrical arcing. Most of the time the stray currents through a contaminated wet path cause enough warming that the path will dry. Then little or no current flows and the heating stops. If the moisture is continuously replenished so that the currents are sustained, deposits of metals or corrosion products can form along the electrical pathway. That effect is more pronounced in direct current situations. A more energetic arc through the deposits might cause a fire under the right conditions. More study is needed to more clearly define the conditions needed for causing a fire.
 
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