eneyone kept croc monitors!

[JONNY CICHLA]

We're just trying to help. I believe the thing about the cobra is relevant. An analogy: if a judge were deciding what sentence to give a man regarding a crime he had committed, would the judge not first take a look at the man's record? If in all your threads about handling hots you had shown a superb level of caution, then I wouldn't be so worried about you owning a croc monitor. As it stands, I'm scared you'll go into its enclosure, poke it with a stick to wake it up, and start flashing your camera in its face. And of course I've never owned croc monitors, everything I've ever heard of them would not let me sleep at night knowing there was one in the house. I'd probably awake with its jaws clamped on my throat.



Yes, the snakes can be more dangerous, if they decide to strike, but for the most part they have very mellow attitudes, especially if you work with them. There are precautions that can be taken with snakes which apparently don't matter to a croc monitor, who will ambush you. But you also shouldn't base your philosophy on, "Well, such-and-such person is being unethical, I guess I can be unethical too."

You will probably decide to keep croc monitors, and that is your right. However, if you do decide to try to breed them, I hope you utterly fail. Nothing personal, but the market doesn't need an influx of baby croc monitors. If you want to breed a big monitor, breed water monitors. They're a hundred times mellower than a croc monitor.

And stop being so impervious to advice and criticism. If everyone is saying the same things to you, they probably have a point.

So your a judge as well as a Snake Whisperer know buddy?? can you tell me the thorts of one of my snakes before he takes a crap!!
So your ok then with a big rock python!! As tame as can be!! eaven tuck it in his own little bed at night?? until it decides to strike and eat you!!(wonder whot the judge would say) silly boy!
Tell me 1 precaution you can make when a 18ft pythons dragging you in his cage!! shotgun maybe??

Ow yah! thanks for reminding me iv a criminal record buddy! Hope your not the judge!!

 

[AndyG.]

Wonderd when the tailing a cobra would pop up again!! in a totally different post!(come on please) in a croc monitor post? Buddy have you kept dwa or croc monitors! As there bean a case of a croc monitor ever killing eneyone??? yes one thinks your wotching to meney movies my friend! (Godzilla maybe) Thanks for your advice on the killer croc monitors!

I actually know of one of the largest zoos, in the US, who relocated their Croc Monitor pair, after the male almost killed the keeper.

This is an issue that's on going...not just with Croc Monitors. It happens with Crocodilian species, large Pythons, venomous snakes, etc. There's always someone who knows better than anyone else...doesn't make a bit of difference that people with ALOT of experiance are trying to help...they're gonna do it anyway, just because they can when they already practice reckless handling and don't take the time to learn anything.

It's a fruitless arguement and one that will end up with bickering and "I know more than you" and blah blah.

My male is currently on Fauna Classifieds, for sale, with a female. I'm in the process of trying to buy him back...simply because I do not want him to go to a keeper who is inexperianced and gets him just because they can afford it.

 

[Juxtaroberto]

So your a judge as well as a Snake Whisperer know buddy?? can you tell me the thorts of one of my snakes before he takes a crap!!
So your ok then with a big rock python!! As tame as can be!! eaven tuck it in his own little bed at night?? until it decides to strike and eat you!!(wonder whot the judge would say) silly boy!
Tell me 1 precaution you can make when a 18ft pythons dragging you in his cage!! shotgun maybe??

Ow yah! thanks for reminding me iv a criminal record buddy! Hope your not the judge!!

You've misrepresented my advice and my analogy simply for the sake of rationalizing what you plan to do.

Either way, good luck. You're going to need it.

 

[snakeguy101]

Keep it under control guys. I dont see a good future for this thread.

 

[brooklynboy521]

JOHNNY CICHLA, I know you have every right to keep a croc monitor but you really got to listen to us. These aren't savannah monitors or argus monitors. You don't understand how dangerous these animals are. They have a level of intelligence that is beyond our understanding as mentioned in previous posts. If you want a challenge get a water monitor. I feel like your brainwashed by the way you keep saying "amazing monitors". Keeping one of these is worse than keeping a Komodo Dragon. The reptile industry does not need any worse of a rep and if you get killed or someone gets hurt you are putting us all at risk to have our rights taken away. And your idea of breeding them id freakin ridiculous, it's not gonna happen. If you do decide not to listen to us than PLEASE DO A TON OF RESEARCH.

And these guys need at least a 15x10x5 enclosure because they are aboreal just think before you do something stupid.

 

[Joe M]

I remember the cobra thing too, and its certainly relevant. You seem to completely disregard safety and advice, and I could not give a crap less if you were only endangering yourself. But when one of these things, or one of your cobras, take you down, you have a deadly animal on the loose. Then whoever comes along next is in a bad situation because of you irresponsibility. And as somebody said on that thread, you better think about what your getting into and doing, cause your headed right for TV on animal planet's "Fatal Attractions".

I'm not saying your definitely irresponsible with your reptiles, but some of your previous comments seem to indicate that that is the case.

I don't think there's any more you guys need to say to this guy. He doesn't want to hear it, and hes not going too.

And why do you call everybody "buddy"? Its kinda creepy.

 

[Raetak]

Keep it under control guys. I dont see a good future for this thread.

I see a short one or not one at all...

 

[Raetak]

Any way... I've found that you can read and read and still not get the proper experience to work with certain animals. My suggestion would be my current way of doing things... One step at a time.

I started with a 20 gallon tank, then I got a 29, then a 55, and now I have a 75 gallon. Hopefully I will have a tank a little bigger next like maybe a 90 gallon.

I'm not sure what you have kept previously but I doubt these truly amazing monitors are anything like what you have worked with in the past... Maybe you have kept HUGE reptiles before, as far as I know you could be breeding godzillas in your backyard.

"Walk before you run" is the general idea I am putting across here. I don't really care if you get eaten, mauled, or raped by your monitor but I thought I'd say what I thought.

By the way if you can pull it off safely, without hurting anything---

If you get eaten----

Hope things work out for you mate!!! Just have fun and keep all your man-eating monitors to yourself! Thanks!

 

[JONNY CICHLA]

I remember the cobra thing too, and its certainly relevant. You seem to completely disregard safety and advice, and I could not give a s**t less if you were only endangering yourself. But when one of these things, or one of your cobras, take you down, you have a deadly animal on the loose. Then whoever comes along next is in a bad situation because of you irresponsibility. And as somebody said on that thread, you better think about what your getting into and doing, cause your headed right for TV on animal planet's "Fatal Attractions".

I'm not saying your definitely irresponsible with your reptiles, but some of your previous comments seem to indicate that that is the case.

I don't think there's any more you guys need to say to this guy. He doesn't want to hear it, and hes not going too.

And why do you call everybody "buddy"? Its kinda creepy.

Thanks for the advice BUDDY! whot would you rather call you??
K--B!

 

[A. gigas]

it's all been said for me. johnny, you should seriously listen to what people are trying to tell you, especially if they're all saying the same thing.

also, there may not be any cases of a croc monitor killing anyone (yet) and there are a few cases of big pythons killing people, but does this mean the pythons are vicious and the monitors are puppy dog tame? no. it just means that pythons are far more readily available, and more people have the opportunity to screw up. croc monitors are rare in the hobby, and expensive, so it is far harder for an inexperienced keeper to lay hands to one, and fewer people who have the chance to screw up.

these animals are on a level of their own, previous experience with other monitor species and even venomous snakes does not prepare you, you need to train for croc monitors themselves, you can't jump into one thinking "i've handled dangerous reptiles before, i can handle a croc monitor."

please, think long and hard about if you're ready for this.