Ethics in fishkeeping

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it is science, there are many species of peacock bass and not all of them attain those monster sizes. Some species will not grow more than a few pounds. On the other end of the size spectrum, the monster species of pbass grow to nearly 30 pounds. Quite a difference based on genetics and science, not common sense. Just because you see two things, does not necessarily mean it is cause and effect. If you have a 300 gallon tank, look into the smaller species of pbass. So Im not sure how I am being so thick that I cannot get it through my head that the fish absolutely must be stunted, and I think I will talk about health. There are multiple factors that come into play when you talk about size of tank. I would prefer fish to be healthy AND not stunted
 
jcardona1 said:
There's also the opposite end of the spectrum. This debate doesn't only apply to monster-sized fish. You can do this with any sized fish. Case in point:

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Nice pix! Is that your tank or did you get the permission to use other's pix?
 
jlnguyen74 said:
Nice pix! Is that your tank or did you get the permission to use other's pix?
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I was wondering how long it would take for your sack-riders to go running to you about the pic. I don't need permission. This is a public forum :)
 
Shenanigans said:
it is science, there are many species of peacock bass and not all of them attain those monster sizes. Some species will not grow more than a few pounds. On the other end of the size spectrum, the monster species of pbass grow to nearly 30 pounds. Quite a difference based on genetics and science, not common sense. Just because you see two things, does not necessarily mean it is cause and effect. If you have a 300 gallon tank, look into the smaller species of pbass. So Im not sure how I am being so thick that I cannot get it through my head that the fish absolutely must be stunted, and I think I will talk about health. There are multiple factors that come into play when you talk about size of tank. I would prefer fish to be healthy AND not stunted
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I know all about the species of cichla and their sizes. And yes I know that some grow larger than others. Take Cichla Monoculus for example. Many people will tell you on this forum that they're some of the smaller species of cichla and are fine for a 180-240g. But here they are in John's tank, well over 30". I know because I've seen them in person. His fish are giant. An active, fast moving top water predator that simply is not fit for a 6x2x2 glass box.

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pacu mom said:
I don't care if this tank has perfect water parameters. It is equivalent to keeping a German Shepard tied to a stake in one spot with a 3' chain its entire life. IMO it's wrong to keep fish this way....but that's all it is .... my opinion. There is still some unoccupied space in this tank. The tank owner should add 25 - 30 more oscars and other fish to the tank until none of the fish can turn around. That would then be a fair situation to all the fish. There will probably be some people who will view this picture and be inspired to do the same thing. Other people will be horrified.
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This thread has put a lot of people on the defensive. Some have even tried to turn it into a battle of the haves against the have nots. I don't think that was the OP's intention when starting this thread. Put me in the "have not" group. I will never have a tank big enough to house a arapaima, so I will never own a arapaima.
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Everyone likes to bring up this ridiculous "Arapaima in a 55g" or "Silver Aro in a 30g" argument as a way to say overstocking is bad. No one here is saying you can keep a paima in that small of a tank and obviously in the pic above, he doesn't have enough room. Let's just stop talking about arapaimas because no one can take care of a fish that big. You guys should keep the argument more reasonable. I've never seen anyone keep an arapaima in a 240g, but I've seen a lot of people keep aros and pbass in 240g tanks. Some of those people have kept their aros alive for 10+ years now. In that pic above, some people might even argue that it's too small for the Oscars in there and that's where I strongly disagree. Some of you are taking it too far and saying that none of us can properly take care of an aro or pbass and you're comparing it to keeping an arapaima. It's nowhere near the same thing.
 
jcardona1 said:
I was wondering how long it would take for your sack-riders to go running to you about the pic. I don't need permission. This is a public forum :)
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After 10 pages of talk and "debate" on ethics and common sense, you're a perfect example that it's not common for people to use common sense. They just do whatever they like, or convenience to them, and don't give a hood about ethics.

jcardona1 said:
I know all about the species of cichla and their sizes. And yes I know that some grow larger than others. Take Cichla Monoculus for example. Many people will tell you on this forum that they're some of the smaller species of cichla and are fine for a 180-240g. But here they are in John's tank, well over 30". I know because I've seen them in person. His fish are giant. An active, fast moving top water predator that simply is not fit for a 6x2x2 glass box.
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No you don't know all about the species of cichla and their sizes. You read about them, but have not have most of them. You can only ID them if they look like picture you saw, and if they don't, then you can't, just like your "holly grail" Rio Negro Orino. I don't know whether you're obtuse, your vision decieved you, or you couldn't tell the difference between John's Monoculus and Temensis, but let me show you how big John Monoculus is, and it's not 30" like you thought, even you've seen them in person
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?240232-rip-pbass-from-hos


ecoli73 said:
But you do demonstrate you don't know much about clown loaches.
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Clown loach is one of the many fish that he doesn't know...
 
BTW, I don't need anyone to tell me what's going on here. I'm a proud member, and I enjoy this forum very much. I just don't waste my time on hypocrites
 
jlnguyen74 said:
After 10 pages of talk and "debate" on ethics and common sense, you're a perfect example that it's not common for people to use common sense. They just do whatever they like, or convenience to them, and don't give a hood about ethics.
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Dude please you're living proof that it's possible to have more money than sense. Your sh***y looking tanks and sickly fish represent everything that is wrong with this site :duh:

I've said everything I need to say about you in older threads. In fact, that old thread is where you came up with that sig about me. Nice to see it's still there :)
 
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