ever kill a healthy fish on purpose

[krichardson]

Very lazy and no compassion. Just like people fight to disallow Walmart to carry fish, people should fight that fools shouldn't be allowed to own fish.

Well most of the people who rail against Walmart must have compassion because they seem to have concern for the fish and the conditions that they are kept in untill they are sold.

 

[Khormid]

Well most of the people who rail against Walmart must have compassion because they seem to have concern for the fish and the conditions that they are kept in untill they are sold.

I understand that. I'm pointing out that if we are going to fight Walmart, fools owning fish is just as bad as Walmart selling them; both need to go.

 

[krichardson]

I understand that. I'm pointing out that if we are going to fight Walmart, fools owning fish is just as bad as Walmart selling them; both need to go.

LOL,you can't make people educate themselves,but the other thing...

 

[xander]

killed(well a friend did the deed) and ate 2 gar

 

[xander]

I want to do it to a convict in my tank but i can't catch him

 

[chefjamesscott]

OK MY REASON FOR POSTING THIS WAS TO GIVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE KILLED A HEALTHY FISH ON PURPOSE A PLACE TO EXPRESS WHY SO PLEASE GIVE THEM THAT CHANCE!

Also I have taken time to express in a long post my thoughts on this thanks for reading.

i never killed any fish ive kept. i have sympathy for them even though they are just fish. we dont think its a big deal because they dont scream or yell or show emotion when they get hurt. they dont deserve this just because they did something wrong. its just CRUEL.

EDIT: please re-home your fish instead of killing it please.

Not yet there, just put the thread up to see what others truly thought about this subject. Please see story below.

Entertaining thread Chef! Some of the response's from the tree-huggers makes me .

I've put down my share of problem fish. But between fishing for fun and feeding live feeders... I'd say 10,000 + fish have died at my hands. Many more to come...

I agree with the guy that said, "punish the deed, not the breed".

At the heart of the matter, please see story below. Truly I agree about some of the responses.

this is absurd , anyone who can do this sort of thing is nuts , I question why poeple are into this hobby at all if they can take delight and even laugh at doing that sort of thing to an animal that is completely at your mercy . I understand that sometimes there is no other option , it is certainly something i hope never to have to do but at least have a little compassion , if this was about who has killed their dog /cat or other pet there would be uproar , i personally dont differentiate ,all my animals are my pets and are treated with the respect they deserve . not trying to have a go at anyone just my opinion ,

For you I say read my signature! Now that you have read it put away your broad brush and try to see specifics of a situation rather than white washing a situation with a cover it all brush. And there is a huge difference between a dog or cat and a fish!!

I fish at least 3 times a week, just sayin'... Is fishing for sport and/or to eat torture to you?

I'm just wondering as I've put down maybe 5 consistently problematic fish that I've raised from fry.

Again a spot on answer to my ? as this thread is about the killing of a problematic fish.

Fishings fine, i thought this was about ornamental fish though............i'm Australian if i didnt fish/camp/shoot/hunt and stab things i'd be banished. lol

If you buy a fish, without reading up on it first, take it home, watch it smash everything else in your tank, then kill the fish for doin what its encoded genetically to do, you have one too many of the same chromosomes and killing fish is the least of your problems................[/QUOTE]

So when a fish defies all descriptives given it the person who does away with said fish is mentally retarded hmmmmmmm not so! And trust me fish have personalities that are not genetically coded.

I've killed a couple of fish (literally two) when my dislike of them caused me to go into denial about their health.

Example: An overstocked tank had an outbreak of ich and one of the newer fish I wasn't attached to was not doing well (swimming upside down, continuing to have ich when all the other fish were responding to treatment, etc). So I "quarantined" him in a 5 gallon tank with no heater, assuming he would be dead by morning.

Two days later he is refusing to die. Perhaps even getting better, but I leave him in my poorly set up QT tank because I don't want him back in the main tank.

Eventually he dies, probably from the cold water.

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I feel like I killed a fish that was fighting to survive, and it's a horrible feeling. That was maybe two years ago before I knew how to set up a proper QT tank, and I would never do it again. I am still stricken with guilt over it. Crazy, right?

The best way to ease the guilt of past transgression is to gain forgiveness by doing your best not to repeat the mistakes of ignorance one you learn better. To know to do good and not do it is indeed worthy or much guilt!!

Please read the story below as it will better explain my personal reason for the thread.

This is why non educated people shouldn't participate in a hobby like this that they don't fully understand. If people would setup pairings of fish correctly you wouldn't have a problem to start with. Killing a creature besides to put it out of its dying misery is ridiculous. How would you feel if someone killed you because you were a pain in the butt?

Truly a brash statement for you to make! By the way how do you know that I am neither educated nor understanding fully about the hobby? Or was that bluntness aimed at others. Again you would do well to put away your broad brush for such strokes do not show well of you.

Let us then look to humanity since some wish to correlate fish to a human level, what is done with psychotic human beings who go on murderous sprees or are mass murderers?

Please see story below thank you

This. Euthanasia, feeders, culling, and fishing I can understand, but this whole "problem fish" thing is just . Killing fish because they're too big, or too aggressive, or you're overstocked?

But...Cam's goldfish story

Please make sure to read my story to see if the problem fish is

Hmmmm Ban me will you!!!!!

Too big no problem I have been buying larger and larger tanks, my latest a 10 ft 300g is a few months behind because it cracked and I have finally ordered the glass to fix it and will have it up and running in 2 weeks-strike 1

Too aggressive, in a manner of speaking but to the whole tank suddenly-call it a fly ball still in the air could be an out or a run

Over stocked is a matter of personal taste in most tanks over 200g, for this issue it is actually more of the outlay of the tank that is the issue in my books-strike 2
So begins the story of Rocky The Red Zebra described by species below from this page http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/met_estherae.php

"The estherae, like most other mbuna, is a fish that is best kept with 2-3 females for each male. While males can be territorial, and aggressive, they would be considered mid-level aggression for a mbuna at best, tending towards the lower aggression side. Having said this, it would be recommended that this fish is best kept in an aquarium that is 48"/120cm long, though experienced aquarists have been known to keep them in 36"/90cm tanks. By providing plenty of cover, in the way of rocks, or other hiding places, you can provide hiding places for females, and subdominant males to escape damage from the attentions of the dominant male."


Ok so let's tell the tragic tale of rocky the red zebra, who after 5 attempts in tanks from 55g-180g ended up being put by me in a 300g with the hope for him that he would chill out rather than play the tough guy.

His first home was a 55g set up with the above decor in mind places to hide, other mbuna and yet he went pyscho and just had to lay the beat down on every other fish in the tank. He would actually go through each and every hiding spot all the time and chase everyone out. One day I brought 3 adult christyi and put them in the tank for holding for a day or two so that I could move them to the bigger tank when I had made it ready. Well the next day rocky had laid so much smack on the christyi that over the next few days I lost 2 of them ($100 in fish). Number 3 happily swims in the 300g.

But wait didn't all my studies of this fish show me it was good to go in a rocky tank with lots of hiding places, with a good ratio of male to female. But nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Rocky needed to fight it seems he was only happy ramming into other fish like a torpedo. Why were none of the others in the tank acting so.

Over the next week or so many efforts were made to give rocky the space he so seemed to crave, all with the same effect. Rocky had to rule the whole tank!!! In the 180g he had all the fish in the top corner occupying about %15 of the tank space and if any dared venture from that zone he would speed like a jet to smoke them and whip them into submission.

So rocky went to live in the 300g with the pacu and other big cichlids. For the first few days it seemed that rocky was at the size of the fish, at the size of the tank. Then saddly you could see him go and begin to try to rush fish easily 50 times his size. At first they seemed to go , then as they would turn their massive size on rocky and meet him head on. The final night of rocky's life he was shining as he zipped around the tank in his attempts to mess with the fish in the 300g but I could tell they were getting so I grabbed my and thought of taking bets as to how long it would take.

Next morning rocky was literally half the fish he used to be and I applauded it. For you see I totally knew that if rocky did not chill out he would get to find out what real power is, I know this because there are other little fish who lived with the big boys with not issue and they are still in the 300g.

Rocky is the first fish I encountered who totally denied to fit the profile listed of his particular breed. Up to this point the issues with agression were easy to fix with a rearrangment of the tank. Or the thinning down of population. Yes some of the above posts are true, but, are they true of all situations are they absolutes?

I SCREAM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Part of one of the reasons why I opened up the can of worms I knew this thread would open was to bring about the individuality of the hobby. But also to bring about this subject.

So here I was sitting yesterday watching my 230g very carefully. After all I had just taken 5 very well balanced environments and totally wreaked havoc with their worlds as I completely changed things for them. Different tanks, different tank mates different worlds. 4 out of 5 tanks made the transition without any issues thought the 230 went ballistic. I transfered fish who had existed in peace with no agression at all and put them in another tank with only 2 different members of the world my silver aro and my blue stripe pike.

I watched my red devil suddenly begin to chase others in the tank and moved him to the time out tank and trust me he knows he is in time out.
I personally think that fish are way more cognitive than people give them, way more possessed of emotion than people give them and by the same right they are possessed of the ability to be a douche bag to thier tankmates.

Now chicken skin is definitely looking at me with the please eyes and I will pull him out of the time out tank and put him back in the 300g.

Yesterday as I moved the red devil out the one zebra tilapia seemed to go nuts and was literally attacking everyone in the tank. It was like I was watching rocky all over so the thought comes I hope I don't have to but if this fish does not chill after I move it from tank to tank, I might just have to put it down. So I posted this thread, just to see but also to give people a place to express their past happening where they have indeed killed fish and why.

As of yesterday I threw all 4 of my zebra tilapia back in the 300g and they have totally chilled out. Was it a move to a tank without a black painted back, with a row of air bubbles across the back, was it the change from being along the back wall to being in a tank close to a higher traffic area?

All I know is that the move back to the 8 ft 300g worked it cost a johani its back half but meh those ones are feeders anyways. Yet, what if this particular zebra tilapia did not chill, what if this particular fish had gone ballistic and began to kill others at will?

Do I dare take this problem to a fish storeand so possibly cause issues with their being able to sell it or even rehome it in their 30-40g tank or god forbid their 20g when it has come from a 230-300g range. Do I dare hand off a fish that I have raised from young to someone else so they will end up having huge issues? I would not knowingly ever pass off problems to another keeper for only a class A A hole would do that.

I have to totally disagree with the people who think that all fish fall into the realm of being able to fix their agression with the proper tank size etc.... .

I have had fish who I did exactly what I did to rocky except with better results, they decided that they would behave and live in cohabitation rather than die.

Then there are other fish who I have left with the fish they have been showing agression towards for one reason their agression was based on one thing THEY WANTED TO EAT THE OTHER FISH. And so be it FISH EAT FISH what do you think fish food is made of.

I left my panther grouper in a tank and watched him eat 2 clowns, 2 very pretty shrimp and a few other things, but, that is what a panther grouper does. and yes indeed I do have a large sw tank in the plans.

Now lets just say that my uptight and out of sight zebra tilapia decides to go pyscho in the 300g, then what? I try a reconfigure of a few other tanks, I try throwing it in the time out tank but at the end of the day I would not rehome a psycho fish to anyone else for that matter. I would have no problem doing away with this fish, after all fish are still just fish and in no way are they on the same level as a human being.

I am also led to wonder if those who post derogatory and degrading posts about the capability of fish keepers who have actually killed a problematic fish are keepers of big fish themselves. I am also on the same note led to wonder greatly of the accusers regime of fish care, of the depth of their personal fish keeping experience. For I have found that those who make the strongest objections and strongest accusations in life about matters all to often are perps who are trying to shuffle off the guilt of their own transgressions by searching out and crying foul over the actions of another. If this last statement has got your goat please allow me to cook it for you. For when I see people who have only 2-10 posts on a forum jump on a thread and post very very negative almost beligerant posts I wonder.

My grandfather a very wise man said this "THERE IS A REASON WHY GOD GAVE YOU 2 EARS AND 1 MOUTH FIGURE IT OUT!" This being said I like to also bring forth a sign from my elementary school that was above the door to the office "PUT YOUR BRAIN IN GEAR BEFORE YOU PUT YOUR MOUTH IN MOTION!"


If indeed it so happened that my 1 zebra tilapia had gone nuts, I would try for a couple of weeks to change the outlay of my tanks so as to find a good balance where the agression would stop. Now provided this did not work I would most definitely not try to rehome it for one reason my attempts at solving the issue would include the use of a 10 ft 300g tank and if I can not get a fish to be happy in a 10ft 300g tank rehoming it is not an option. To those who would think to lay slight with their view based on the "GET A BIGGER TANK theme" I ask do you have a 10 ft 300g, have you gone out and bought a 8 ft 300g over a weekend road trip, have you plans to drop a 20ft long x 3 ft wide x 2.5 ft high tank in your basement?

I am a bit different than others because I am actually headed towards doing a fish store/public aquaria and have outlaid over 30k in investment into my aquaria world over the past 2 years with an additional 20k slotted over the next couple of years.

All this being said I WILL INDEED KILL THIS ZEBRA TILAPIA IF IT CONTINUES ON IT'S RAMPAGE. Why? Because it's behaviour is totally not the same as the other 3 and it appears aberant.

 

[Allan01230]

Iv'e used the freezer method for realy sick fish. Also flushed them before and released in local waterway. Realize how stupid this is when Lfs will take almost any fish if for free. I saw a woman try to get top dollar for a 14 inch common pleco that she kept in a 20 gallon. But the fish is 14 inches long so it should be worth a lot was her dumb reasoning. Piont being most LFS will accept fish for free. Do your homework first and avoid the promblem to begin with. I do now.

 

[shortbus1231]

Yes I have killed a few of my own healthy fish. I had a tank with four tiger barbs two pink kissing gouramis and two bala sharks. The tiger barbs killed one of their own and then continued to kill all of my other fish one by one, so I flushed them away and started a new tank.

 

[chefjamesscott]

I think the point to many here, above and packer or watever is that there isnt usually a need to kill a fish. Why would you not just bring it to an lfs or for free? Or is that too much effort?
if you dont want that dime a dozen oscar in your tank hurting your fish, why did you buy it? People are retarded, like above. I made a mistake, bought the wrong fish, and my way of solving the new issue is to kill it. Yeah yeah its a fish and its your fish, still makes you a pusssy.
I dont get why people cant be responsible for the decisions they have made and get rid of the fish...I had one months ago I needed to get rid of..it took me a cpl months before i did, but I didnt kill it and the person who has it is happy now. Lazy people.

Very lazy and no compassion. Just like people fight to disallow Walmart to carry fish, people should fight that fools shouldn't be allowed to own fish.

Now now I highly doubt people who end up with a problematic large fish can be called lazy. Personally I spend minimum 10 hours a week doing maintenance and upkeep on my tanks to make sure my fishie world is the best I can give my fish. Laziness has nothing to do with it.

By the way I love a good lively discussion

 

[Khormid]

Now now I highly doubt people who end up with a problematic large fish can be called lazy. Personally I spend minimum 10 hours a week doing maintenance and upkeep on my tanks to make sure my fishie world is the best I can give my fish. Laziness has nothing to do with it.

By the way I love a good lively discussion

You choose to read what you want. I agreed with someone else who stated killing the fish was the lazy way instead of finding it a new home. If you want to take things personal thats your choice. A couple of us have the opinion that people who kill a fish because its problematic are ill informed people who lack knowledge of what they are doing. No one specifically called you out at least I never did. If you fall into the boat we are talking about then so be it, if not then let it go.