F1 lyonsi spawn.

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Thanks, I am going to try and pull about 2/3 of the fry right around the time the become free swimming, unless for some reason they start getting munched up by the sieboldii, then I will pull them as soon as I starrt to see a decrease in numbers. I'm very excited!! And I will continue to update.

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Danggit! Just got home from work and found the fry being ravaged upon by another lyonsi, and the 3 seiboldii. So I stuck a syphon tube down where they were and just hoped for the best. I was able to salvage 4 fry. They are now in the grow out tank.

Its strange, looks like the male and female got into it pretty good and they both have marks around their mouths from lip locking. And now the female is sitting in a spot pouting. And the male is off with one of the other females trying to court her. I will have to be a little more pro active next time.

Anyway, I have never grown fry from wrigglers before, only from free swimmers. Anyone have any tips???? I am still excited about the 4 fry, I guess it will give me a chance to grow them out a little longer and get to see their personalities. Here is their grow out 20 gallon. Simple, subtle and will do for the first month or two. By then, hopefully I will have another batch, and with the way the male is courting this other female, I may not have that much time.

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Anyway, thanks for looking, and if anyone has any tips for me on raising day old wrigglers please feel free to chime in. I am thinking they will be fine just sitting on the bottom, and once the yolk sack is gone, I can just treat them as free swimmers. But if there is anything I should know, please fill me in. Thanks again.

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No special tricks to raising wigglers other than keeping other fish away. Since you sucked them out and have them in the 20g with the sponge filter, you're good to go. Just watch the temp changes when doing water changes. You shouldn't need to feed them until free swimming. Congrats on your spawn and hope you get more soon! Peace
 
Andrewtfw said:
Congrats on the spawn. Lyonsii are endangered in the wild. It is important to have keepers like you spawning this fish and keeping it in circulation to prevent extinction.
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Yes. I agree. I would have loved to breed these guys too. I just got really busy and ended up selling my lyonsi juvies. I used to breed flowerhorns, which are arguably descended from lyonsi. Often times flowerhorns will turn on each other after a spawn. I wish you the best w/ the fry you were able to save. I too would suggest you isolate the eggs from other fish when you get another spawn. Either remove the eggs or remove the fish if you have another tank. Add methylene blue to reduce fungus and feed babies baby brine shrimp once the yoke is gone.
Good luck!
 
By the way, how did you determine the Rio Coloradito set up? Were you able to find pictures or descriptions somewhere? I did some research myself. I think your set up looks cool, just wanted to know how you arrived at this set up.
 
Alright from the top. Thanks for the advice on raising the wrigglers. I don't plan on feeding them untill they are free swimming. They are now 3 days old and still just wigglin..

I don't remove the seiboldii because there is enough room in the tank for the parents to set up a spawning site, and defend their fry. Also, it is correct as per the biotope, which is more important to me then spawning the fish. And if the parents can't do the job of defending their fry, then the parents aren't ready to be parents yet. Of course I could get super flamed for saying that on several, very valid levels. But the truth of the matter is, I am a fish keeper, and one who takes pride in keeping fish that are found together, with eachother. I am not a fish breeder, so when a spawn dosent work out, I don't get to upset about it.

And finally, when I was looking for info on my seiboldii. That's how I came across the biotope info. I will add that the rocks and wood are not correct as per biotope standards. They are purely for looks. And although rocks and occasional chunks of wood are present in the rio coloradito, the rocks are useually rounded (river stones), and the wood is scarce. The information I found on the species kept in the river was found at this collection trip write up http://fish4thought.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/day-11-11011/. And I also found several other write ups on several other sites as well. I am still looking for the astyanix aenaeus, which have provin to be very difficult to track down.

So far the few fry I was able to pull are doing fine, I will update again when they are free swimming. Thank you so much to all who have taken the time to stop and read this. And sorry if I upset anyone with my somewhat dry statements.
Again thanks.

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I am also growing out some young altifrons, hopefully I will be able to do right by the awesome biotope, and set it up accourding to the rivers layout. And also in a tank around 10'x30" as the foot print so there is pleanty of space for all the inhabitants. But for right now, a 180 with the current stock list will suffice.

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fish_n_vw said:
Alright from the top. Thanks for the advice on raising the wrigglers. I don't plan on feeding them untill they are free swimming. They are now 3 days old and still just wigglin..

I don't remove the seiboldii because there is enough room in the tank for the parents to set up a spawning site, and defend their fry. Also, it is correct as per the biotope, which is more important to me then spawning the fish. And if the parents can't do the job of defending their fry, then the parents aren't ready to be parents yet. Of course I could get super flamed for saying that on several, very valid levels. But the truth of the matter is, I am a fish keeper, and one who takes pride in keeping fish that are found together, with eachother. I am not a fish breeder, so when a spawn dosent work out, I don't get to upset about it.

And finally, when I was looking for info on my seiboldii. That's how I came across the biotope info. I will add that the rocks and wood are not correct as per biotope standards. They are purely for looks. And although rocks and occasional chunks of wood are present in the rio coloradito, the rocks are useually rounded (river stones), and the wood is scarce. The information I found on the species kept in the river was found at this collection trip write up http://fish4thought.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/day-11-11011/. And I also found several other write ups on several other sites as well. I am still looking for the astyanix aenaeus, which have provin to be very difficult to track down.

So far the few fry I was able to pull are doing fine, I will update again when they are free swimming. Thank you so much to all who have taken the time to stop and read this. And sorry if I upset anyone with my somewhat dry statements.
Again thanks.

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I totally respect your angle where you are coming from with regards to breeding. Best wishes on those fry. Thanks also for the clarification on the Rio Coloradito. I agree. The images I've seen show rounded rocks. In terms of astyanux aenaus. I've seen video clips of them and spoken to Costa Ricans about them. They seem to agree that a species that seems to appear most like them is the Buenos Aires tetra. BA tetras did fine with smaller Costa Rican cichlids I have owned (C. Myrnae). However, my male lyonsi would eat them for breakfast literally. It's probably better you stayed away from them.
 
Yeah, I have almost picked up some buenos areis a few times but I never did. They are really good dithers for most archocentras, thorichthys, and cryptoheros. And they wouldent be correct as per the biotope. That's why I have never got them. Thanks for understanding my angle, I totally want to breed my fish, but its never my top priority. And when my lyonsi spawn again, I will surely pull fry earlier. The 4 fry I pulled seem fine. But there is only 3 that I have seen for the last few days. I think one must have died. Sucks but whatever... 1 is better then none, so 3 is still alright with me. :)

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