Filtration for 300 gallons

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How big of a sump would i need? I guess i can ask the guys that build my aquarium to build a custom sump, but stuff is expensive here in Norway haha, 5000 for the tank/lights is the price i have to pay. Cant really afford another 2000 dollars for a sump

I hear you. I was in. Norway a few years ago and it is very expensive!

You dont have to use an expensive sump. You can easily make it out of a plaatic bin or tote from the big box stores. It will be hidden so no one will see it. I was looking at some yesterday at lowes for about $20.

https://m.lowes.com/pd/Centrex-Plas...allon-Black-Tote-with-Latching-Lid/1000225777
 
I hear you. I was in. Norway a few years ago and it is very expensive!

You dont have to use an expensive sump. You can easily make it out of a plaatic bin or tote from the big box stores. It will be hidden so no one will see it. I was looking at some yesterday at lowes for about $20.

https://m.lowes.com/pd/Centrex-Plas...allon-Black-Tote-with-Latching-Lid/1000225777
Thank you, will def check this out! Do you want roughly 50% of the volume of the aquarium as a sump?
 
Thank you, will def check this out! Do you want roughly 50% of the volume of the aquarium as a sump?

Bigger is always better. I remember reading about some basic sump size suggestions.......maybe 1:4? Dont get too hung up on that though.

You can really stuff a lot of media into a sump. The options are endless.

Keep us posted.
 
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How big of a sump would i need? I guess i can ask the guys that build my aquarium to build a custom sump, but stuff is expensive here in Norway haha, 5000 for the tank/lights is the price i have to pay. Cant really afford another 2000 dollars for a sump
Most of the people with sumps look for old used aquariums to build sumps out of.
 
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You definitely won't regret a sump. Look for a used 75 gallon aquarium to use as your sump. You don't need baffles, just have the overflows drain into filter socks and then put your bio media in with some powerheads. Definitely go sump though.
 
I would get a large used tank, and build one your self, to be completely honest, this would make you the happiest I'm sure.
A lot of guides, and it's not overly hard to glue in the glass to customize it how you want.
 
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Sumps have two disadvantages over canisters. I ran a 265 for years on 4 eheims. 2 pro 3s and 2 pro2s. One of the pro 2 was a dedicated peat filter to maintain pH and yellow water of the amazon. You can hide all the tech with a drilled over flow that acts as you intake strainer. The tech hanging in or on the tank is a choice.

First you have to keep the sump level low enough so that if your power fails you don't get a flood, sump has to be able to hold extra water from the tank. Also that you are home when it restarts depending on you overflow configuration. If you overflow fails to properly restart you get a flood. In your own house in the basement not a big deal. In a apartment your down stairs neighbor will be less than thrilled.

Second a sump uses far more electricity than a canister. A sump pump has to bring the water up several feet. the canister filter only a few inches over the lip of the tank. That's why canisters can get 500 gph with a 25 watt motor while the same flow with a 4 foot head requires roughly 50 watt. Not sure how bad electricity cost is in Norway.

As far as better vs worse. That depends on your personal situation. There are no magic bullets and I doubt there will ever be. Sumps are cheaper to set up. all you need is an old tank some plexiglass and silicone. You can then customize your sump however you want. However cleaning and maintenance WILL involve a wet floor*. Canister WILL be much more expensive but with an eheim it's unplug, close the valve (also disconnects canister), drag to sink, clean, stick back on tank, open valve turn on. If the power fails everything just stops.

* Pretty sure someone here will tell me that he's had sumps since he was 12 and its been 30 years not one drop on one floor. Been both hobbyist and professional tank maintenance tech for 25+ years. So far have not seen it yet.
 
Sumps have two disadvantages over canisters. I ran a 265 for years on 4 eheims. 2 pro 3s and 2 pro2s. One of the pro 2 was a dedicated peat filter to maintain pH and yellow water of the amazon. You can hide all the tech with a drilled over flow that acts as you intake strainer. The tech hanging in or on the tank is a choice.

First you have to keep the sump level low enough so that if your power fails you don't get a flood, sump has to be able to hold extra water from the tank. Also that you are home when it restarts depending on you overflow configuration. If you overflow fails to properly restart you get a flood. In your own house in the basement not a big deal. In a apartment your down stairs neighbor will be less than thrilled.

Second a sump uses far more electricity than a canister. A sump pump has to bring the water up several feet. the canister filter only a few inches over the lip of the tank. That's why canisters can get 500 gph with a 25 watt motor while the same flow with a 4 foot head requires roughly 50 watt. Not sure how bad electricity cost is in Norway.

As far as better vs worse. That depends on your personal situation. There are no magic bullets and I doubt there will ever be. Sumps are cheaper to set up. all you need is an old tank some plexiglass and silicone. You can then customize your sump however you want. However cleaning and maintenance WILL involve a wet floor*. Canister WILL be much more expensive but with an eheim it's unplug, close the valve (also disconnects canister), drag to sink, clean, stick back on tank, open valve turn on. If the power fails everything just stops.

* Pretty sure someone here will tell me that he's had sumps since he was 12 and its been 30 years not one drop on one floor. Been both hobbyist and professional tank maintenance tech for 25+ years. So far have not seen it yet.
All of the disadvantages you listed are only disadvantages due to improper planning and design. When my pump shuts off the water level in my sump only rises 1-2" due to where I have my siphon break. A fluval FX6 is rated at around 200 GPH less than my Jebao DCT-6000 and only saves you one watt (41 vs 42)
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Cleaning and maintenance DOES NOT have to involve a wet floor. When I clean my filter media I just hold a bucket over the rim of my sump and scoop my bio media out, use the output from the tank to add a few gallons of water to the bucket and shake the media out and add it back to the sump. Mind you, outside of changing a filter sock every few days when it's nasty that's the only maintenance I have to do. I clean my bio media maybe once every 60-90 days because my mechanical keeps my sump really clean. Most of us that run sumps also advocate for a drilled tank vs using an overflow box which will negate the whole flooding when the pump starts back up scare. And even then I've heard of people using an air pump that sucks air in to modify their HOB overflows that way if the siphon does break it'll restart itself. Like I said with proper planning none of those cons even exist. I've had a canister flood my living room before and it takes forever to clean them with the limited filter media that they're able to hold
 
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