not to start a war but i dont believe in creation i only believe in evolution dont let my father inlaw know hes a methodist minister.....shhhhh
Fish creation vs. Fish evolution?
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Personally, I believe in creation. But I also believe that we have the ability to evolve over time, as our habitat and lifestyle demand of us. Obviously, this takes place, as science has documented it. But what is science anyways? Is it the all knowing, iron clad, answer to everything? I don't believe so, afterall, it was us humans who "created" science, determining codes, calculations, families, species, and so forth. We chose the names, and orders for these, so how can we just assume it's the only way? That would be a little arrogant if you ask me. There was no quantum physics text book, or molecular database when we came to be. Therefor, if you say that people believe in a higher being as a way to assure themselves of something better, or to make sense of life's complications - then would it not also be fair to assume that science in its self duplicates that scenario for the "evolutionist"?? Further more, do you truly believe that we came from a pool of sludge?? I mean come on -- every species, of every animal came from the same crap??? I don't think so. If that were the case, answer me this - if we "evolved" from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?? Are you to suggest that even though we were the same, that only some of us evolved?? That's just bogus.
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imagine if this world was never introduced to the bible 3000years ago...
people must have a fear to be good and peaceful...if there was no bible to give people fear..... all hell would break loose.
I read this phrase in a book "those who beleive in the devil, already belong to him"?
lol.... you must beleive in the devil in order to beleive in god
I really don't care if we evolved or whatever....
people must have a fear to be good and peaceful...if there was no bible to give people fear..... all hell would break loose.
I read this phrase in a book "those who beleive in the devil, already belong to him"?
lol.... you must beleive in the devil in order to beleive in god
I really don't care if we evolved or whatever....
There is a big division to which you are blurring the line. Science is fact based information, type of stuff that you can take steps to logically re-create such as mathematical concepts; while religion is faith based. Faith versus fact.water_baby83 said:
As far as what is evolution, and why monkeys are not evolving into humans now, check out http://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution.htm
Religion has been around for way longer than 3000 years.toxicfish said:imagine if this world was never introduced to the bible 3000years ago...
people must have a fear to be good and peaceful...if there was no bible to give people fear..... all hell would break loose.
I read this phrase in a book "those who beleive in the devil, already belong to him"?
lol.... you must beleive in the devil in order to beleive in god
No facet of the theory of evolution states humans evolved from monkeys, creationists twisted Darwin's words to deride the theory. The theory of human evolution states that sometime in the distant past monkeys, apes, lemurs, pottos, lorises, tarsiers, galagos, and humans shared a common shrewlike proto-primate as an ancestor.
The argument that evolution does not occur because the ancestral form still exists is not valid. Even in cases of a shared immediate ancestor you will find that some do not evolve. Read the book for yourself.
The driving force behind evolution is selection by survival and the fastest occurance of this occurs within isolated and minimal populations under stress.
Here is an example,
Take 2 identical rooms and add garden trays to each. Plant the trays with tomatoes and in room #1 use only water acidic enough to kill off 1/2 the plants before they seed. In room #2 repeat the set up but use only alkali water strong enough to kill off 1/2 the plants before they seed. Start the next generation of each room with only the seeds from that rooms survivors. Repeat for seveal dozen generations. Now start gradually increasing the acidity/alkalinity a little each generation until each population is living in an environment that would kill off 100% of the unadapted parent stock. repeat for several hundred generations. You now have 3 mutually exclusive populations, 2 of which are new, the ancestral species still exists.
The argument that evolution does not occur because the ancestral form still exists is not valid. Even in cases of a shared immediate ancestor you will find that some do not evolve. Read the book for yourself.
The driving force behind evolution is selection by survival and the fastest occurance of this occurs within isolated and minimal populations under stress.
Here is an example,
Take 2 identical rooms and add garden trays to each. Plant the trays with tomatoes and in room #1 use only water acidic enough to kill off 1/2 the plants before they seed. In room #2 repeat the set up but use only alkali water strong enough to kill off 1/2 the plants before they seed. Start the next generation of each room with only the seeds from that rooms survivors. Repeat for seveal dozen generations. Now start gradually increasing the acidity/alkalinity a little each generation until each population is living in an environment that would kill off 100% of the unadapted parent stock. repeat for several hundred generations. You now have 3 mutually exclusive populations, 2 of which are new, the ancestral species still exists.
water_baby83 said:
science is discovery and not created by us - it is facts that we discover about our world, our surroundings, we humans love to name things but we didn't create these things that we named, if you believe in God you better believe that science was created by God...but that can be contradictory in some logic
