FISH GOING TO DIE

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mgk;3789481; said:
i was responding to your statement which claimed they would die in the higher temp tank, which they wont.

the short body types, are more delicate they have different needs. its like comparing people with osteoporosis to football players.
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Yes they will. You don't read very well. Shortened life span. Water at that temp with cut a goldfish's lifespan down to only a few short years. They should live 25-30. Even if your managed to get one to live 12 years like that you will still have cut its life in half. No they won't die tomorrow in water that temperature, but the long term health of the fish is significantly compromised and so is its quality of life.

Compare it to smoking. If you picked up a pack a day habit today, would you die tomorrow? No. Would your life span be significantly shortened, your health and quality of life greatly reduced. Yes. Water temps over 70 are REALLY BAD for all types of goldfish. A short term elevation due to summer time temps is like having a cigarette, even short terms at high temps are chipping away at the life span. Goldfish need cold water. This is not gray area, its not an opinion, its a fact. You are incorrect.

Here is a link to about 15,000 articles published by scientists in peer reviewed journals discussing the impacts of high temperatures on goldfish physiology. Perhaps some light reading will help you to understand. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...-US:official&hs=1Zl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&oi=scholart

The different needs of dual tailed fish have far more to do with water currents, swimming space and to some extent diet, there are NO credible differences in temperature needs.
 
kdrun76;3789831; said:
Yes they will. You don't read very well. Shortened life span. Water at that temp with cut a goldfish's lifespan down to only a few short years. They should live 25-30. Even if your managed to get one to live 12 years like that you will still have cut its life in half. No they won't die tomorrow in water that temperature, but the long term health of the fish is significantly compromised and so is its quality of life.

Compare it to smoking. If you picked up a pack a day habit today, would you die tomorrow? No. Would your life span be significantly shortened, your health and quality of life greatly reduced. Yes. Water temps over 70 are REALLY BAD for all types of goldfish. A short term elevation due to summer time temps is like having a cigarette, even short terms at high temps are chipping away at the life span. Goldfish need cold water. This is not gray area, its not an opinion, its a fact. You are incorrect.

Here is a link to about 15,000 articles published by scientists in peer reviewed journals discussing the impacts of high temperatures on goldfish physiology. Perhaps some light reading will help you to understand. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...-US:official&hs=1Zl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&oi=scholart

The different needs of dual tailed fish have far more to do with water currents, swimming space and to some extent diet, there are NO credible differences in temperature needs.
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+1 Nice post. if you are a bone head who still doesn’t understand the temp needs of goldfish I have collaborated this post for you-
Goldfish+Warmwater=Fail Goldfish+Coldwater=Win.
 
i see common temperature recommendations for goldfish 68-75, i dont think 3 degrees will make that much of a difference.

also im well aware that hotter temperatures result in shorter lives for cold blooded animals.
you could probably keep them right above 55 for most of the year, then below for a few months, and extend there lives significantly. but i dont think a life with the metabolism being so slowed is a good one.

i do believe they would do better in the cooler water, but any kind of life is better then looking down the throat of a oscar.

your pretty adament about your temps, do you have a chiller on your goldfish tank?


please give me a link to a actual article, not a search that turns up a bunch of results that aren't the point you wanted to make. im always happy to look at research especially when it conflicts with what i think.
 
I keep my Goldfish tank at about 55-60F, in the summer when it starts to get around 65F I start floating the frozen water bottles.
 
mgk;3794487; said:
your pretty adament about your temps, do you have a chiller on your goldfish tank?


please give me a link to a actual article, not a search that turns up a bunch of results that aren't the point you wanted to make. im always happy to look at research especially when it conflicts with what i think.
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Their current water temp is 35 degrees. Yes I do have a chiller. Its a DIY made from an old dehumidifier. I put it on once the water temps hit 70. On a 90+ degree day the tank will get up as high as 68 or 69 with the chiller running, typically the sides are all fogged over on those days.

I have given you 15000 links. Each pertaining to different aspects of goldfish physiology. Would you like an article about muscle physiology, reproduction, blood chemistry, digestive enzymes or just anything at random? Pick any of those articles. If you need a University subscription to read one, I can down load it for you and get it that way. I have all those passwods in my computer and don't get any indication from my machine when they are used. So I really can't tell which articles are not publicly available or not.

Here is a slight modification on that original search that narrows things down to 977 articles ALL pertaining to lifespan and temperature for goldfish. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?h...span&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
 
mgk;3794487; said:
i see common temperature recommendations for goldfish 68-75,
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You will also find recommendations on line to keep goldfish in a bowl. Consider your sources carefully. Personally, I prefer peer reviewed publications.
 
mgk;3795362; said:
you need a subscription read most if not all of them.
how about these
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=217471

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5653701
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The second link is a 1968 article and is not electronically available. I am not sure if I can find it on paper at the university library or not.

I just tried to pasted the first one in here, but it took ALL the spaces out. The entire article is one GIANT word.

Attempts to up load it as an attachment also failed. PM me with an e-mail address and I can send at least that first article.
 
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