Four foot tall tank - Too tall? Or just right?

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DaveB

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My room dictates that I go no wider than a 7 foot tank. An 8 does fit... but just barely. It doesn't look right, affects speaker placement, and means I can't open the closet properly. 7 is perfect.

7 is even more perfect when the room splits duty as a fish room and theater and your projector throws a 92" screen (don't worry, the seats are close enough that any more than 106 would be too big. 100" is probably the ideal size for the room). The width of the tank is almost exactly the same as the screen, which makes for some very cool furniture/stand possibilities:

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(black are speakers, white boxes up top are sconces)

But as you can imagine, 7 foot tanks are tough to find. Currently I have an odd 86.5x24x24 acrylic. My fish love it, but to me it's flawed... it should be taller.

So I've had kind of an obsession with taller tanks. Let the Aro patrol the top, have the eartheaters down at the bottom, and let some discus occupy all the middle space. Beautiful. Expensive, but beautiful.

Locally someone has a 7 foot 300g acrylic, supposedly it's 35" tall. Beautiful. Except they want about three times what it's worth and it's got a bright ugly blue background with a center overflow. I already have one tank with that handicap, and I hate it. Too bright, but can't be covered with any of the good backgrounds.

Today I found a deal on a tank that is FOUR FEET TALL. A great deal. A bit of a drive, but worth it even with these gas prices.

But is that too tall? I know one monster tank was just sold here because it was too tall for the owner.

Dowsides, as I see them:

- It's only 6 feet long. That throws off the stand/screen design a bit. I'd have to have side panes of wood or something, or scrap the idea of having the screen built in (though that'd allow me to do 106"... but with an exposed screen mechanism, which is kind of bad.)
- Less space for Batman. He doesn't even use the full 7 but 6x2 isn't what I'd want to keep a black aro in, even though he's not that big. This means there could/would come a day when I'd have to get rid of him.
- Maintenance: How do you even get at the bottom of a 4 foot tank?
- Lighting: How do you evenly light something that deep?
- Getting it into the room: I'd have to knock out the wall to make a double door. But I've been looking for an excuse to do that anyway. I like symmetry. And the framing is easy. Only issue is matching the hall tile to fill the 3-4" worth of space inside the door jamb that I'd be exposing.
- Cost: I'd break even on a tank trade. But I'd basically be forcing myself to do discus. And enough Discus for a 4 foot tall tank will bankrupt me.

Upsides:

- It would be really awesome.


Looking for feedback here from anyone who has owned a 36" or taller tank. Egon especially... Is it worth it? Should I try to hold up the 84x24x35" owner and paint the BG? Wait longer til a 265 shows up? Live with the 220?
 
Yeah it's worth it! It's more work, yes, but the deep tanks look awesome! Two big issues with deep tanks. Cool looking natural backgrounds are not available, you have to build your own, and maintenance is more work. Actually that's not fair, maintenance requires different tools some of them home made.
My gravel vac is a 3" PVC pipe going into a 1" flexible clear hose I use it just like the python system but the 3" line is 3 feet long to reach the bottom. I would love to get a clear 3" pipe for this so I can see what's going on inside the pipe while I'm vacuuming. Cleaning gravel is basically the same as smaller tanks but I have to get on a step stool to reach into the tank. Look up "Boom Stick" here on MFK.

Also I have a snake grabber tool for picking up anything on the bottom of the tank or moving drift wood, rocks, whatever....
Catching fish is pretty much impossible. Once a fish goes in it stays unless I drop the water level to about half full.
Another thing is where to put the filter? My tank and stand is 6' tall. I only have 2 feet to play with under the tank for a sump and I have a big bio tower on one side so the tank is 6' long with a 1' bio tower. 7' total. The nice thing about a tall tank is I have a 4' drop through bio media for the dry part of my wet/dry filter. That's huge filtration and then I have a 55 gallon sump for more bio media and heaters and so on.
Another thing that looks nice on a deep tank is a bubbler feature going from the bottom to the top through the drift wood and background. I love that look! It also helps move water from the bottom to the top for added filtration and keeping the lower levels from getting stagnant.

I vote YES for getting the deep tank! :D
 
Tall tanks are awesome, I could go either way with your choice. Just make sure you get what you want. if you really want a 7' tank, then hold out for one. You could always do a 265. 7'x2'x2.5'
 
I have a 3ft tall tank that is plenty tall for me. I'd never go any taller. I think you'd have a hard time putting any large rocks in a 4ft tall tank without dropping them in place.
 
They are alright once you get them set up, but they are a lot of work trying to get them right. I have one that's empty in the garage right now for that reason.
 
Pharaoh;5062250; said:
Tall tanks are awesome, I could go either way with your choice. Just make sure you get what you want. if you really want a 7' tank, then hold out for one. You could always do a 265. 7'x2'x2.5'

A 265 would be ideal for the furniture design I have already. Deeper, but not a pain to work with. And likely glass, too, which I would prefer. But 3 feet would be even more fun... Hard to say holding out is a good strategy though, as I've had my eye on the 7 foot market for years. They're few and far between. It got to the point where I was considering buying your glass and cutting it to a 84x28-30x36 tank. (Would be a shame to cut it from its current size though.)


ziggy2;5062350; said:
They are alright once you get them set up, but they are a lot of work trying to get them right. I have one that's empty in the garage right now for that reason.

Oh yeah? What dimensions? Where in IL? Wanna bring it to my house? :)

Egon;5062236; said:
Yeah it's worth it! It's more work, yes, but the deep tanks look awesome! Two big issues with deep tanks. Cool looking natural backgrounds are not available, you have to build your own, and maintenance is more work. Actually that's not fair, maintenance requires different tools some of them home made.

Well at least this one has a black BG instead of hideous blue. I could live with a low light black tank without a BG. Or just build my own later, of course. With a 2 foot width I don't want to occupy too much space with a BG anyway. If I got the 36" tall one locally (doubtful - he hasn't shown a willingness to trade for my 220 plus cash in the past) I'd definitely have to do a custom BG to hide the blue. Less of an issue with this one.

My gravel vac is a 3" PVC pipe going into a 1" flexible clear hose I use it just like the python system but the 3" line is 3 feet long to reach the bottom. I would love to get a clear 3" pipe for this so I can see what's going on inside the pipe while I'm vacuuming. Cleaning gravel is basically the same as smaller tanks but I have to get on a step stool to reach into the tank. Look up "Boom Stick" here on MFK.

Does that get the siphon necessary? Is being 3" any advantage over just having a rigid 1" end?

I've never liked the amount of suction I get over sand with the standard Python, even when I drain down a story of the house. Seems like without the back pressure I used to get when I had gravel, the gunk likes to just toss about and take its time getting into the tube.

I'm thinking with a deep tank like this I'd take great pains to set up a closed loop system with my FX5s to get some optimal water movement down low so things either collect in one spot for quick vaccuums or they float up top to the overflow and mech filtration (socks). That'd be ideal, since it'll be on a drip and potentially even RO (which means no easy/quick way to refill large volumes removed). The goal is for this tank, even moreso than the 120 upstairs, to be maintenance-free. Because I'm not in that room nearly as often.

Catching fish is pretty much impossible. Once a fish goes in it stays unless I drop the water level to about half full.

Given my difficulty with Discus so far that's a bad thing. Can't very well medicate a 360 all at once, and if I fish needed QT it'd have to come out. Discus aren't that hard to catch, though. (Unless there's a bunch of DW in the way... which is likely).

Another thing is where to put the filter? My tank and stand is 6' tall. I only have 2 feet to play with under the tank for a sump and I have a big bio tower on one side so the tank is 6' long with a 1' bio tower. 7' total. The nice thing about a tall tank is I have a 4' drop through bio media for the dry part of my wet/dry filter. That's huge filtration and then I have a 55 gallon sump for more bio media and heaters and so on.

Yeah, the bio tower is out for me, both for presentation and noise reasons in this space.If only the utility room was behind this one instead of to the left... The canisters would certainly fit but the sump would be a challenge. (Also a challenge: Where to put a center channel speaker.)

Another thing that looks nice on a deep tank is a bubbler feature going from the bottom to the top through the drift wood and background. I love that look! It also helps move water from the bottom to the top for added filtration and keeping the lower levels from getting stagnant.

Yeah. I might worry about the noise a bit, but maybe it would be masked by the canopy.

Time to bust out Photoshop to mock up a stand for this one. I really wish I was good at Sketchup...
 
You all are insane. ;) I would never want a four foot tall tank. You basically have to go swimming everytime you need to do something in it.
 
aclockworkorange;5062504; said:
You all are insane. ;) I would never want a four foot tall tank. You basically have to go swimming everytime you need to do something in it.

You say that like it's a bad thing :grinno:

I love tall tanks and a four footer would be awesome if done right, but I would hold out for a seven footer. Thats just me though
 
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