Gar Quiz - the return - ID the fish

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hey xander, i think the close date on the quiz would be sometime today...i'll go ahead and post my ID soon as well.

if anyone else has a good photo (preferably your own fishes, but an exotic group pic like xander's webshot is also a good challenge) please email it to me (E_americanus@hotmail.com) with "gar quiz" as the subject...this way we can keep things organized and post the quizzes without having multiple photos, etc (not a problem yet, but could be as we keep rolling).

i've got some stored up as well, so if i don't hear anything by the time xander posts his answers (or we come to a conclusion on this current quiz...since no one has confirmed ID yet) i'll post a new one from my Garchives--
--solomon
 
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ok here are my answers:
1 - shortnose
2 - Cuban
3 - Cuban
4 - Florida
5 - shortnose
6 - Florida
7 - Florida
8 - Florida
9 - Cuban (melanistic)
10 - longnose
 
E_americanus;4300029; said:
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ok here are my answers:
1 - shortnose
2 - Cuban
3 - Cuban
4 - Florida
5 - shortnose
6 - Florida
7 - Florida
8 - Florida
9 - Cuban (melanistic)
10 - longnose

wow!!! 9 is a kick in the groin. i guessed #1 wrong, i had assumed it was a longnose. what traits let u to id shortnose? i was also under the impression that #9 was a trop. how did you come to conclude mel cuban?! damn that's pretty darn sleek
 
ya i got it...when i changed the #9 from trop to cuban it was do to the face and jaw structure that led me to the cuban answer...#1 i went off the fact that tail was slightly different from the comfermed longnose next to it...
 
logic for these conclusions:
1 - shortnose - this is probably the toughest or second toughest ID in the bunch. we don't have the head of the fish or this would be easy. the caudal peduncle is a little thicker than what we see in a lot of shortnoses, but i'm writing that off to variability and captivity issues. the caudal fin is also shredded and almost looks like it has Cuban-esque striations, but there are two other issues that suggest shortnose to me - the body is much more slender than a Cuban...and we can guess that since the other Cubans in this tank are big and fat, this fish should also look that way if it were Cuban. also the length of the pelvic fins...shortnose gars are really the only gars with really long paired fins, and those pelvics suggest shortnose to me.

2 - Cuban - easy ID on 2 & 3 as Cubans if you look at the keys or any of the Cuban gar photos from members.

3 - Cuban
4 - Florida - this is just what a typical, fat, captive FL gar looks like. spotted gars at this size will have a somewhat different looking pattern and body proportions. that and we have very little evidence of confirmed spotted gars coming out of Asia at this point, and comparing them to the wild spots...Florida gar seems like the logical ID.

5 - shortnose - note the shortnose characters i mentioned for #1; we also see the head, which has a short snout but not terribly broad like Atractosteus genus. body also virtually pattern-less and slender.

6 - Florida - see earlier FL ID for 6,7,8
7 - Florida
8 - Florida
9 - Cuban (melanistic) - this is probably the toughest of the bunch...and i gave some clues earlier when i was talking about #9. this fish can only be a tropical or Cuban gar as a gator would have a different look to it in head/snout proportions. it's clearly Atractosteus based on the stout body and very broad snout. i think Cuban because the snout just looks Cuban to me...hard to explain, but it seems broader than what we see on most tropical gars. i wouldn't be terribly surprised if it were a melanistic (or just darker tropical...as we have seen males tend to get upon maturity) tropical, but i'm going with melanistic Cuban for my answer.

10 - longnose - longnoses typically don't show this pattern at this size, but they are also the only gars i have seen that show this type of pattern at this size. also note the very slender body and longer thinner caudal peduncle. even without the snout this fish indicates longnose gar on several levels.

i'm open to others' thoughts, hope those comments help!--
--solomon

***was actually writing this while you guys posted after my answers...hopefully this fills in the logic/reasoning from my end..***
 
aside from the patter similarity in #1 and #5 look at the thikness of the tail on them as they are close to the same size and also the distance between the dorcil fisn and the tail fin looks greater on the longnose then the short nose
 
thanks for the response solomon, very informative, and i think i've learnt 3 or 4 new things on this thread:)

with #9, im still suprised at myself for not spotting it earlier:D
 
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