Geophagus brasiliensis brooding

[duanes]

The altifrons complex is rather large, and encompasses a number of species often sold in LFSs by their location,
G altifrons Tocantins
red or orange head Tapajos or Trombetas
etc etc
and some of the complex are now described as separate speis
G argyrostictus
G brachybranchus
G proximus
and not surprising G surinamensis
The differences can be very subtle, a mid body spot slightly to the left, and bit more red on one than the other.
I do believe males do get longer trailors, my male did, like my first pic.
And I must admit, without my copy of the South American Eartheaters book to reference, I can't tell one from another when it comes to the altifrons group

 

[Frank Castle]

And I must admit, without my copy of the South American Eartheaters book to reference, I can't tell one from another when it comes to the altifrons group

suddenly after reading that I don't feel like such a fumbduck for not being able to tell......I guess posting pictures is the only way to figure it out then?

 

[duanes]

a young Geophagus red head Tapajos,

 

[Frank Castle]

a young Geophagus red head Tapajos,

she looks VERY similar to that, but almost no red on dorsal fin, just the very tips of the dorsal and anal fins, and the caudal, but no red on the head at all - similar faded striping and the spot is more "centered" on mine. She also has red eyes

 

[Frank Castle]

duanes See above post, plz

 

[Stanzzzz7]

Frank,can you not post a pic of your geo?
Identification will be hard from description.
It's normally the Barring on geos that is the key to identification. Some will also have a small black mark on their Gill covers that other types won't have.The easiest way to sex geos from the altifrons group is by the pectoral fins.
Males will grow long pectorals females won't.

 

[Frank Castle]

Frank,can you not post a pic of your geo?
Identification will be hard from description.
It's normally the Barring on geos that is the key to identification. Some will also have a small black mark on their Gill covers that other types won't have.The easiest way to sex geos from the altifrons group is by the pectoral fins.
Males will grow long pectorals females won't.

the one i'm talking about which was sold as "surinamensis" and we have been suspecting it's Altirons was actually at the LFS today that i bought the original, only they NOW had them labelled a Guianacara satanoperca!!!! I swear the vendors they get their cichlids from are retarded.....and it's not a corporate store either.

Uhm, i'm still trying to figure out how to post pictures, idk if my camera is compatible with this laptop or not, otherwise you guys would have pics of my entire collection aready

 

[duanes]

I can't tell from a worded description, I really can't tell the differences even with photos, especially if they are young.
But (as far as I know there isn't a Guianacara surinamensus.
All Guianacaras also look very similar, here is Guianacara sp (something) sold to me as geayi, I had, just to give a general genus look.

 

[Frank Castle]

I can't tell from a worded description, I really can't tell the differences even with photos, especially if they are young.
But (as far as I know there isn't a Guianacara surinamensus.
All Guianacaras also look very similar, here is Guianacara sp (something) sold to me as geayi, I had, just to give a general genus look.

ye, i just did some digging, they were definitely NOT G. satanoperca

 

[Frank Castle]

Stanzzzz7 duanes

Her tube is out and they have dug a few pits in the gravel down to the glass and are moving other small stones around. How long until i see eggses? Place your bets now!!