German Blue Ram in a planted tank with....?

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Rams tend to be a lot more sensitive and short lived IME. Most don't live past a year. They are just very touchy fish and are notorious for dying.

I got my pair of apistos for $30. They will pay for themselves the first time they breed and I sell off the fry.
 
Liz Sagara;4859971; said:
BTW... does the water have to be tea colored to be 6.5 PH? I"m trying to figure out a balance so that I can see natural color without the tea coloring.... I've got Black water Extract I can use. I use it for my Betta's and RCS tank.

Ph is entirely dependent on your kh. If your water has a high kh, nothing you put in it will reliably bring the ph down. Most people have a pretty high ph/kh out of the tap, but some dont--you have to test. If your Kh is high, your only real option is RO water, which is expensive and complicated.
If your kh isn' high, tannins and blackwater extract will drop it, it's really hard to say by how much.
 
Okay... so if I can't lower it... I can't have Rams? And I had a REALLY bad experience with Apisto's... I got a pair of Apistogramma Agassizii and they came in and I drip acclimated them into my hospital tank which stays fully matured (been cycled for 3-4 months at the time) the same temp and water chemestry and everything. I added Black Water Extract before I started to acclimate them because they like soft water and then added them. I never saw them. COuldn't get them to come out couldn't get them to eat. Two days later the male was dead and covered in fungus. I treated the tank for fungus and a week later and I never saw her eat (I removed all uneaten food after four hours) she was dead too. So... I'm skeptical on getting anymore apistogrammas....

I keep the hospital tank cycled with ammonia added everyday so I know that the fish that are going in there are not exposed to any of my fish or the other way around.... I test that tank weekly to make sure it stays cycled. It doesn't run with Carbon in it because it's a hospital tank... so if a fish is sick I put them in there. after the fish is better I take them out... But there hadn't been a fish in that tank for 4 weeks. I monitored a group of Zebra danio's in it for 3 weeks before adding them and they weren't sick. SO I don't know why they got sick... I did everything right...

I will say though that I think it was the stress that killed them. Because I ordered them through my LFS and they had an 18 hour layover in Dallas before comming here. But I got my two Male halfmoons off that shipment and they were fine. I don't know. And those guys cost me 36 dollars for the both of them.... 36 dollars is a lot to loose when you're a broke college student...
 
Oh... but I know that the Blackwater extract lowers the PH because I use it in my Betta and RCS tank. Theirs runs lower in PH than my other tanks. Will rams breed if the PH isn't 5.5? I've heard using RO water doesn't have the minerals and things in it that the fish need.
 
I would check with your source of rams on what pH they are running before I would go altering the pH. I raise Bolivian rams both cb and wc, and have had no problems with them living past a year, some are closer to 3 years old.
I would use RO to mix with your water source to get the desired effect. Rams will breed and hatch easier at lower pH but it can be done at pH in the higher up to 7.7pH. I would only use pure RO water as a starting point to get the desired conditions to spawn some of the more sensitive fish like Tanganykan killies.
 
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