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Sorry, IDK how but I have been missing this thread for the last 2-3 years. Such a wonderful documentation and information for everyone to take advantage of. Great many heartfelt thank you's to Phil!!! This account is as appreciated as it is extremely unique, informative, and honestly presented.

Several questions:

[1] With all that has been learned, what would you do differently to achieve an ultimate success, that is until the fish passes naturally?

Increasing the size of a cylindrical tank has two opposing consequences. The larger the tank, the more relaxed get the skittish, high strung, easily spooked, and flighty fish. At the same time, the larger curve radius of the larger cylindrical tanks decreases the geometrical advantage of deflecting the run-ins into walls, with the largest cylindrical tanks being no different at all from rectangular and other flat-wall tanks. Plus more space lets fish pick up more speed too. I think these two factors worked in your favor.

Soft wall liner (or inflatable) fish tanks would be punctured often by toothy atfs. Maybe some sort of wall protection could be imagined, either for the hard-wall tanks (so the atfs don't die from run-ins) or for the soft-wall tanks (so atfs do not puncture them)? Like hanging curtains of heavy rubber liner or curtains of mats?

Maybe not having any obstructions like driftwood either? I understood why you had it there, that is for the sake of the tank mates, but tiggy didn't need it and would do significantly safer without it, I think. This is one of the reasons we aim to keep tanks bare with monster sized, powerful fish (and are regularly criticized for it).

[2] I've not seen that you fortified tiggy's tilapia fillets with vitamins and minerals. Have you found it unnecessary? Tiny relative amount of meal / superworms and live tank mates wouldn't seem to make up for the ill-balanced nutrition of almost pure protein in the fillets. To keep regrowing those teeth alone would demand lots of calcium.

[3] Have found the general paleness and absence of red color odd and if so, how would you explain it? I wonder if this is related to pronounced paleness of our silver arowana (many confuse them with albino), which I always attributed to lack of UV, sunlight, and small amount of artificial light in general.

[4] No screens on pump intakes must be for tiggy's safety sake, I presume, but dead or even live fish could get sucked up against the intake and block filtration. I realize likely this is why you had two intakes and two pumps, but both could get plugged up at the same time.
 
Sorry, IDK how but I have been missing this thread for the last 2-3 years. Such a wonderful documentation and information for everyone to take advantage of. Great many heartfelt thank you's to Phil!!! This account is as appreciated as it is extremely unique, informative, and honestly presented.

Several questions:

[1] With all that has been learned, what would you do differently to achieve an ultimate success, that is until the fish passes naturally?

Increasing the size of a cylindrical tank has two opposing consequences. The larger the tank, the more relaxed get the skittish, high strung, easily spooked, and flighty fish. At the same time, the larger curve radius of the larger cylindrical tanks decreases the geometrical advantage of deflecting the run-ins into walls, with the largest cylindrical tanks being no different at all from rectangular and other flat-wall tanks. Plus more space lets fish pick up more speed too. I think these two factors worked in your favor.

Soft wall liner (or inflatable) fish tanks would be punctured often by toothy atfs. Maybe some sort of wall protection could be imagined, either for the hard-wall tanks (so the atfs don't die from run-ins) or for the soft-wall tanks (so atfs do not puncture them)? Like hanging curtains of heavy rubber liner or curtains of mats?

Maybe not having any obstructions like driftwood either? I understood why you had it there, that is for the sake of the tank mates, but tiggy didn't need it and would do significantly safer without it, I think. This is one of the reasons we aim to keep tanks bare with monster sized, powerful fish (and are regularly criticized for it).

[2] I've not seen that you fortified tiggy's tilapia fillets with vitamins and minerals. Have you found it unnecessary? Tiny relative amount of meal / superworms and live tank mates wouldn't seem to make up for the ill-balanced nutrition of almost pure protein in the fillets. To keep regrowing those teeth alone would demand lots of calcium.

[3] Have found the general paleness and absence of red color odd and if so, how would you explain it? I wonder if this is related to pronounced paleness of our silver arowana (many confuse them with albino), which I always attributed to lack of UV, sunlight, and small amount of artificial light in general.

[4] No screens on pump intakes must be for tiggy's safety sake, I presume, but dead or even live fish could get sucked up against the intake and block filtration. I realize likely this is why you had two intakes and two pumps, but both could get plugged up at the same time.
It's all good brother not everyone knew I was doing a time line on the tiger but u got it exactly right I did this in a way so anyone else can mimick what I had done and try growing out a gatf for themselves. Now to answer ur questions:
* What I would have done differently if I had the ability to do so would have been to house him in a bigger aquarium then I had him in unfortunately I didn't have the adequate space for something bigger even if it was bigger would it have defeated the purpose of having him in a round tank, I thought about that too and hopefully the round shape would help him from harming himself but the larger the tank the more probability for him to pick up speed and hurt himself. I also would have left out the wood too if it wasn't for the catfish and a place of refuge for any fish that didn't trust being out in the open at nite time with the tiger. The flagtail would always go hide behind the wood at nite like it already knew what was up!
* regarding the foods no I never fortified his foods with anything besides the natural way it came. I did however source the best ones and they were from sam's in the fresh fish section and it would cost me around $70 for 6 long packs of never frozen filets that were free of carbon monoxide and any chemicals basically human grade but the best ones I could get. There was a moment they had none available and I went all over the place sourcing their food. I refused to give them prepacked pink colored garbage filets! The super worms and the odd tank mates were basically it but regarding the tank mates it was very rare to happen and in 7 yrs he took down maybe 5 fish that's no enough to even matter I'd think. But I never added anything extra to his food besides gut loading the worms with carrots and oatmeal. He always she's his teeth as normal and I have a small collection of them to this day but I did notice the shedding got less and less in the past year.
* He had a decent amount of red under his tail fin at times and other times it'd be faded out some. Maybe because the tank is a lighter color that Could be a contribution? It did get regular sunlight in there almost daily. I've seen some that are blood red and others not so much.
* The pump intakes are like that because I designed them to be as so and I did two filters as redundancy that's all. None of that was in mind of him but for all the fish I had initially added in there from day 1 5 yrs ago. Tbh with u I never expected the tiger to get as big as he did nor survive this long. It was an amazing experience to have had him that long and part of why I started documenting him more because I believed I was onto to something keeping him the way I did. I also ran a drip system in there so even if one of the intakes got clogged fresh new water is being added in constantly. Regardless after each feeding before bed I'd go check on them and use a pond net to remove any leftover foods from the tank or any that attached themselves to the intakes. It was rare to have much left over but once in a while there would be and any that made it up to the top were caught on the floss that I changed out regularly. I wanted a cleaner look to the tank and for them also not to smack into the intakes as well like u mentioned. All in all I believe I did the best I could have for him and in my situation.i don't have a ton of disposable funds or I would have done something differently for them. Having that animal taught me patience and consistency play a major role in attaining an animal like him to a decent size. Still breaks my heart when I talk about him but I will always remember that creature for the rest of my life!
 
If we were back-to-back, it'd be a close call... I tell people when they ask, "I'm 77.7 inches tall," which allows for an introduction to Lamech and his son Noah. I also have working hands and enjoy the open water pelagics, but have not been brave enough for an ATF. This thread has been great to follow. Thanks.
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The idea of a rounded aquarium seems a natural to me. Sometime this summer I will be constructing a bigger home for some of my fish and will be incorporating rounded ends for the advice you've presented. The front end damage my fish get has always been annoying. The fish never learn. I also like the idea of incorporating a soft side, which I might try as well.
 
Tbh with u I was originally going to go with a square shaped tank but after doing some research and pricing I decided to go with the round one I have today. Let alone it is a much stronger design compared to box shape because u have no edges and it's also 1/2 thick fbg on top of that. It's the same company that made Victor's two 4500 gal fbg tanks. Regarding the tiger yeah I went straight to the hardest animal I could keep in an aquarium that had teeth and a nasty reputation past an aimara. Now that I've had my fill of atf I have a trio of Dorado that are 14/16" each and are very active and voracious eaters. I'll probably always keep some sort of characin.
 
Appreciate the acknowledgment bud! It will always stay with me the time I raised a mini jaws lol
So sorry to hear about the passing of your fish, I just saw this thread and my heart dropped as soon as I saw the post where you said it died, have you ever thought of Turning your pool into a pond and maybe in the future if you ever want to get more Goliath’s you can maybe cushion the inside of your pond so it can’t hit anything
Very sorry for the loss of your “mini jaws”
 
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Wow, had no idea Goliath was gone. Sorry to hear, he seemed like an interesting fish. Like F FishyBoy said, I immediately thought of maybe siliconing bats of pond pads along the walls.
 
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So sorry to hear about the passing of your fish, I just saw this thread and my heart dropped as soon as I saw the post where you said it died, have you ever thought of Turning your pool into a pond and maybe in the future if you ever want to get more Goliath’s you can maybe cushion the inside of your pond so it can’t hit anything
Very sorry for the loss of your “mini jaws”
Ty my man! I was finally getting over it and u had to comment on it 😆 I'm playin', I appreciate the overwhelming support from alot of people, some I barely know, reaching out and sending their well wishes and appreciation of that animal! I am now realizing how many followed us along on here and fb, of the journey keeping that fish! The pool is for swimming only 😆 I don't live on my own but believe me I have thought about it! It was in a round enclosure so damage was very little if much at all because of that. I chose that shape because of that and it's the strongest form of fbg tank u can have without overdoing it!
 
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