Grave News on Lake Erie

[ejwp]

Buffalo it cant be said for sure yet. Last winter was pretty mild. With short bouts of very cold weather. But i would think as they got larger they could possible be able to handle harsher conditions.

Even if they cant make it to the great lakes or hardly make a dent in the carp population its great they are trying to bring them back to the north. I also believe Missouri is reintroducing them as well

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[BuffaloPolypteridae]

good! yes it is, they never should have not been here in the first place. it is very promising they gained an average of 17lbs in a year though, that must mean they were able to cope with the winter. as you said though, only a few more years of this will tell

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[Longshot]

Lots of agriculture up there. Could turn those carp into fish emulsion and use as a fertilizer. Chipper -> Grinder -> Juicer = $$$$$$$

And if the gar get too crazy they are at least worth eating.

 

[MN_Rebel]

I think it is too soon to see if Alligator gars can survive the winters. Last winter was very mild and not harsh. I've seen a single harsh winter wiped out the entire population of fish that is used to mild winters.

 

[wantokeeptrout]

the best solution is humans. There is no way for asian carp to be removed now, human capture is the only thing that can control their populations and dditional introductions almost always do more harm then good assuming the species survives.

for example look at the lionfish problem in the carribean. with advertising and education thousands are killled every month and some semblance of control and recovery is starting to appear in areas that have been hit hard. a similar program with asian carp is the best bet for controlling their population

Eat em to Beat em...

 

[Catfishracer]

I've never ate them but have fillet a bunch for cut bait. The meat is pure white unlike common carp. Not very oily either so I don't know how good they would be smoked. I have had them in some of my favorite walleye and other spots for over 10 years. The fishing hasn't changed. I have yet to see a proven study of the decline of natives. In theory they are stealing the plankton needed by fry. The shad population has gone up in these areas and they feed on the same thing. Just and observation and I am not defending them in any way.

KY has just opened a 2.5 million facility to process them and ship them to china. My guess is if the market is there commercial fisherman will gear up for them. Problem is the unplanned natives that will be caught in the nets and discarded to avoid fines.

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I tried to clean a bunch of them. They do have good looking white meat. However they are plum full of bones. Hundreds of them all throughout the meat. I don't know if maybe you could soften them with a pressure cooker and make cakes or something.

 

[BuffaloPolypteridae]

I think it is too soon to see if Alligator gars can survive the winters. Last winter was very mild and not harsh. I've seen a single harsh winter wiped out the entire population of fish that is used to mild winters.

Oh yeah, thats why i said time will tell but the results are promising you have to say

the best solution is humans. There is no way for asian carp to be removed now, human capture is the only thing that can control their populations and dditional introductions almost always do more harm then good assuming the species survives.

for example look at the lionfish problem in the carribean. with advertising and education thousands are killled every month and some semblance of control and recovery is starting to appear in areas that have been hit hard. a similar program with asian carp is the best bet for controlling their population

Eat em to Beat em...

Other then humans i dont think the lionfish has many other things even able to kill it, at least its not so w/ the carp. A combo of both re intoducing a native pred that could eat them even at large sizes and humans taking them out for themselves would be a pretty good way to keep the population low i feel

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I tried to clean a bunch of them. They do have good looking white meat. However they are plum full of bones. Hundreds of them all throughout the meat. I don't know if maybe you could soften them with a pressure cooker and make cakes or something.

W/ really bony fish like that you gotta cook em a certain way, the simplest and easiest that ive done for buffalo and sucker fish is gut it, skewer it like a hot dog and put it over the fire. Then pick the meat off w/ your fingers, i gurantee you barely get any bones in it. Thats what me and my buddys do if no better bigger fish are about and we need lunch on a fishing trip


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[MN_Rebel]

You don't know that for sure. Sure they looks promising but they may be failing result next year. Regardless, I don't think that Alligator Gars will have any effects on the Asian carp populations in Great Lakes as the carps are more pelagic which can be a problematic for the gator gars.

 

[MN_Rebel]

I've never ate them but have fillet a bunch for cut bait. The meat is pure white unlike common carp. Not very oily either so I don't know how good they would be smoked. I have had them in some of my favorite walleye and other spots for over 10 years. The fishing hasn't changed. I have yet to see a proven study of the decline of natives. In theory they are stealing the plankton needed by fry. The shad population has gone up in these areas and they feed on the same thing. Just and observation and I am not defending them in any way.

There is strong evidence that Asian carps caused a decline of native fish populations in some river systems. It is not uncommon to caught emaciated paddlefish and other natives in carp-infested rivers and sometimes when the Asian carps got overpopulated, they become emaciated themselves as it is happening in some areas. BUT! Not all rivers were suffering from the Asian carp infestation or have same results. So your theory has dunked.

 

[lix.ma14]

I don't think a gator gar can eat a 3-4 feet asain carp anyways, unless the gar is 15 feet long or something.