H1N1 flu shots for our kids + the regular flu shot

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sushiray;3544373; said:
sorry, I forgot to ask for the link to this statistical reporting. I tried to google but didn't come up with any solid leads. would like to read more on this,

thx

found it!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/28/regular.flu/index.html

so we better get the reg. flu vaccine to give us a fighting chance, espec. the elderly who may also have underlying health issues.

it quotes that the reg. flu deaths have struck mainly the elderly (which was a wide known fact for a long time).

but they also quote that the H1N1 has caused deaths striking more the young & otherwise healthy kids.

so makes it more imperative to get the reg. flu shot & then the H1N1.
 
sushiray;3544368; said:
Have you been in the presence of other parents who have undergone similar scary situations with this variant of flu? you should speak to them & how they feel.

we had the regular flu in the past in our family & with friends, relatives, neighbors & all agree in no way does it compare with the H1N1.

I am not saying to panic & yes there is a lot of media hype.

but dare I ask you to show the recent statistics (let's say 2009) for reg. flu casualties vs. the H1N1? your source? can you provide us all with links so we may be on the same page as you? I don't doubt there have been many deaths due to the reg. flu, but this H1N1 is so virulent complications can turn for the worst very very quickly.

and why not the media hype on so many reg. flu deaths? that would make headline newsworthiness as it would intend to scare the public into taking both vaccines since that would make 2 death threatening flu bugs out there!

but I thinks that the reg. flu bug is the more temperate milder experience with not so frequent deaths being reported (tho you quote otherwise). you think NYC would rather let reg. flu related deaths in the 100's go by un-noticed & hype H1N1 deaths only??!!

the H1N1 is the more virulent (but don't get me wrong, I know there are many cases of people catching this but have survived w/o any serious implications - my daughter case in pt.)

but our whole 4th grade was decimated early this yr but T.G. no tragedies. but the experiences felt in their families were all too scary. they too have had the reg flu & never felt this scared as they do with the H1N1. & most all of us had the reg. flu vaccine but no H1N1 vaccine back then, Tamiflu was the only prescription available to lessen the severity.

so dude/dudettes - if you thinks it's all hype, tell that to the families that suffered the most recent deaths (now just reported 16 H1N1 related children's deaths in only the past week! all w/o the vaccines!) - tell them it's all hype & they don't need the vaccine & no big deal that the reg. flu takes more lives. tell them their tragic experience means nothing when looking at the big picture of all the deaths from car accidents, drunken driving, heart attacks, cancer, murders, etc. but that's not to say I am de-minimizing these facts. I am not making the comparisons.

BUT here we're talking about whether to take the vaccine or not as a matter of choice. car accidents are what they are - accidents. heart attacks are to prevent as with virulent cancers. murders are wrong place wrong time just an intentional accident. no vaccines to take to try to prevent these death types. aye?

I will repeat this bright spot reported on one of the morning news shows this week - cameron is a girl who was in excellent health with no underlying conditions (at least no signs of any) who showed all the signs of the flu but her pediatrician's tests came back negative twice - twice tested! so they diagnose other than the flu. but her mother insisted it had to be the flu as her daughter showed all the tell-tale signs. but her condition worsen (almost had lung failure due to complications arising from the H1N1 which lead to pneumonia & then almost a collapsed lung!) & had to be rushed to ER where it wasn't till she reached the hospital was she tested & diagnosed with H1N1. only recently released this week she had been admitted in june! she now has a long recovery period but she is alive & happy for it! & she did not have the vaccine (it wasn't available as is the case in our county/townships).

so dudes/dudettes, tell that to this parent it's not big deal!

ok, I'll stop my lunatically ranting & raving. I am not trying to convince you or others who share your sentiments. I am trying to convince others who may be concern for their own & love one's well being.

but still - like Pro-Choice - taking the vaccine or not is one's choice!

in either case, do stay well do stay healthy - but please don't tell others who have tragically suffered your cavalier view on this health issue. unless you have no emotional compassionate feelings then by all means.


I have almost died three times in my life, and have been pronounced dead once.


The world is tough, grow up. Obviously, I would not say that to the parent whose child has just died from it. I would, however, tell it (in a nicer way) to a parent whose child has just contracted H1N1.

No, it is NOT NEARLY as bad as the normal flu. I went to Cali in May for two weeks of dirt bike riding in the Mojave Desert. I came back with H1N1. It was a bad cold for about a week, then one day of dry-heaving, high temps, and dizziness. I then gave it to my gf, who had a bad cold for about a week, and a low-grade fever. No dry-heaves or dizziness. She never stayed home from school. I stayed home from work half a day.


Tell me, are you also freaking out about Bot Flies? Avian Flu? Malaria? West Nile? Every year it is something new. The reason it is NOT the normal flu is because everyone already knows about the flu. People are scared of the unknown. (On a side note, why do you think religion is so popular? Actually, don't answer that here. PM your answer, if you want to discuss that.)

You think "that the reg. flu bug is the more temperate milder experience with not so frequent deaths being reported"? Well, I think you should do research instead of being another sheeple, following the media. Here, I will help.


Here is a doozie. Read this articlem by the CDC. Ever heard of them? Apparently, last year's seasonal influenza reached a 9.1% mortality rate. Zomg. Hey, guess what? It also exceeded the epidemic threshold! Wait a minute, why didn't we hear about this?


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http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2007-2008/07-08summary.htm


Here is another goodie, from the CDC. "A total of 56,247 deaths were attributed to flu and pneumonia in 2006, a rate of 18.8 deaths per 100,000 population, according to the CDC report."

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/jun1208deaths-br.html

Hrm. So, we have 56,247 deaths in 2006. Wowsers. That is (pulls out calculator) 154.1 death PER DAY. Ok. So, every day, we have 154 and 1 tenth of a person dying from the normal flu. How many from the H1N1 again?


Once again, I implore you.....DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. This is another panic-fueled story. NO, it is not as bad as the normal flu. I don't care if you have a brother who has a friend who knows this dog whose owner had a neighbor who ZOMG DIED FROM THE SWINE FLUZZLES. It doesn't matter. What matters is the stats. What matters are the facts. Find them yourself, don't rely on the media hype. Don't rely on what your kids teacher was saying.


Case in point: When I was at University of Maryland, we had a huge meeting discussing the security and safety issues on campus. Apparently, a young woman was kidnapped right off campus. Wow, pretty bad....the meeting was discussing how we can be safer, and was fueled by debates on how the city was a very dangerous place for us young students. Made me think, hrm...what really happened.


Luckily, the city reports all of the police calls. In this particular incident, the young lady exited a club at 3 a.m., intoxicated. She then started walking back to her dorm room (roughly 2 miles away), all alone. About half a mile out, she accepted a ride from an unknown stranger in a pickup truck.


Right. And I'm supposed to feel shocked/sorry?


I realize I am rambling on at this point....I'm just tired of everyone tripping out on the H1N1. Do everyone a favor. Tell people to STAY THE F--- HOME if you have it. It ain't bad. The peeps who are having trouble with it are people who are already sick, already weakened. So, stay home, and get better. If it starts getting bad, then you may proceed to your nearest bomb shel- I mean, hospital. Otherwise, we get a bunch of pansies at the hospital, freaking out over a bad cold. This denies treatment to the ones who are legitimately messed up by it.
 
"BUT here we're talking about whether to take the vaccine or not as a matter of choice. car accidents are what they are - accidents. heart attacks are to prevent as with virulent cancers. murders are wrong place wrong time just an intentional accident. no vaccines to take to try to prevent these death types. aye?"


Lolz. Yes, we absolutely can prevent heart attacks and cancers.
 
thks for the links, they are very informative. but as I read it, especially the cnn link I found which confirms your reg. flu stats - the majority of deaths from reg. flu were with other underlying health complications - which is the case with H1N1.

what the recent findings are being report is (yes by the media but also confirmed by the official sources) are healthy children who are dying (no underlying health issues) which is what is alarming. when the media reports this as quoted from official sources, it makes this a front & center issue regardless if it pales against the statistics of related to reg. flu deaths.

my kids have had the reg. flu, my whole family has had the flu at some point in our lives. we all survive like it was a very bad cold.

but what makes H1N1 scary enough is healthy children/teens seem to be more impacted now where incidences of death are becoming more frequent.

I stand corrected that the reg. flu bug can & has caused many deaths - a great many more than H1N1, but as reported by the CDC many with underlying health issues compounded by reg. flu.

I want to "grow up" & live life but also want to take our precautions.

as for heart attacks & cancer, yes one can take drugs, eat certain foods, have operations to prevent these illnesses from taking lives, but those are choices also, are they not? but many who have heart attacks & cancer, did they choose to not do things to avoid them & figure when it happens deal with it? then why are there so many deaths in these categories also?

so my position on the flu, reg. & H1N1, we choose to take the vaccines (but dang it if it were only available to take!). for my kids I am not relying on statistics, I am relying on what is being experience in recent times to choose to give them the protection (& a fighting chance) so we don't become part of the limited few that may be subject to serious complications. we hope if any of us catch it, we have similar experiences as you & our g/friend, just a bad cold, no fever.

my daughter had hi-grade fever of 105 for 3days str8. it was not a bad cold symptom like you & your g/friend had. so plse! don't tell me & my family politely in a nicer way when we contract the H1N1. what solace can you provide while we as parents suffer with our children going through this? shed no tears for us, we do not ask for your compassion.

as for the avian flu, we panicked yes for our relatives but not here at home, cuz we had a relative that succumbed to it in Hong Kong who died. as for the west nile, didn't hit so close to home - we only knew our neighbor who had a relative in Staten Island that contracted west nile, debilitating but didn't die, & a long recovery. my wife though was hyper about our kids getting mosquito bites - it lingers in our minds.

but back to the main issue of my posting - we choose to take both when they are finally available. I believe others should also, especially children. so big deal it's not as statistically high as the reg. flu.

xxx

so plse interpret the following CDC stats & analysis for us all:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

from sept 25 to oct 16, went from wide spread in 26 states to 41 states.
in one week 11 flu-related pediatric deaths were reported this week; 10 of these deaths were confirmed 2009 H1N1, and one was influenza A virus, but unsubtyped. Since April 2009, there have been 86 confirmed pediatric 2009 H1N1 deaths; 39 of these have been reported to CDC since August 30, 2009.

small #'s I agree, T.G. it wasn't my family, aye?! so you can give a pep talk to those who lost their kids, not a big deal, tell them to grow up! it's a tough world, deal with it!

& gee? this is from the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/vaccine_keyfacts.htm

Who Should Not Be Vaccinated
There are some people who should not get any flu vaccine without first consulting a physician. These include:

People who have a severe allergy to chicken eggs.
People who have had a severe reaction to an influenza vaccination.
People who developed Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) within 6 weeks of getting an influenza vaccine previously. (For information, see General Questions and Answers on Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS).
Children younger than 6 months of age (influenza vaccine is not approved for this age group), and
People who have a moderate-to-severe illness with a fever (they should wait until they recover to get vaccinated.)

Vaccine Side Effects (What to Expect)
The same side effects typically associated with the seasonal flu shot and the seasonal nasal spray vaccine are expected with the 2009 H1N1 flu shot and 2009 H1N1 nasal spray vaccine.

These are:

The flu shot: The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. Some minor side effects that could occur are:

Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
Fever (low grade)
Aches
If these problems occur, they begin soon after the shot, are usually mild, and usually last 1 to 2 days. Almost all people who receive influenza vaccine have no serious problems from it. However, on rare occasions, flu vaccination can cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.

xxx

why don't you tell the world it's no big deal, tell them to ignore the media hype. so when & if it does hit them & gee? that small % of kids who contract it die, gee? it's only 16 in one week (& gee sorry your kid was part of the 16 death count) & gee? your kid was healthy, too bad, & gee? you chose not to take the H1N1 vaccine for your kids? gee? don't worry - the reg. flu kills 154K in 2006. your child died in 2009 among only say 12K related to H1N1. gee? that's reassuring.

so I respect your opinion to not worry about taking it for yourself your g/friend your love ones. but plse don't tell us not to worry. I strongly suggest others to take it. You can strongly advise not to. That's your prerogative.
 
^Just skimmed, will read in depth later.

Couple quick things, before I go to bed: Why haven't you posted a thread about the other horrors going on in the world? Where is the terrorist bombing thread? The starvation thread? The drunk driving thread? The gun thread? The drowning thread? The drug OD thread?


All of my points can be summed up in this: There is always something waiting to take you out. Why panic over something as tiny as this? (I am speaking solely on numbers)


You seem to ignore my arguments, and instead attempt to attach a guilt-trip. Yes, I am well aware that I will be devastated if someone in my family dies from the flu. No, it does not mean that the end of the world is coming.
 
rmorse;3546645; said:
^Just skimmed, will read in depth later.

"Couple quick things, before I go to bed: Why haven't you posted a thread about the other horrors going on in the world? Where is the terrorist bombing thread? The starvation thread? The drunk driving thread? The gun thread? The drowning thread? The drug OD thread?"

xxx

oh! give me some time. I have some thoughts on each of those mentioned except drowning, not so hyper on that yet.

+ may I add the abuses of politicians & nepotism, celebrities who get away with a lot who the avg citizen wouldn't, also the inflation rate being reported to be so low yet via shrinkage they hide the true inflation rate by keeping prices the same, & people who don't wash their hands after going to do their thing in the bathrooms! just to name a few.

but for now it's my family's well being I am a bit pre-occupied with. I am trying to do my research but I guiltily admit, I have succumbed to the media hype on H1N1 so I am a bit hypersensitive on this. Plse note, I was initially inclined to only have my kids take the reg. flu shots & opt out of H1N1 because of it's newness & lack of critical mass results - tho many results have come in positive. so forgive me forgive me not. it's my family I am worried about. if others choose to be indifferent & so cavalier with their own families so be it. I am only a "suggestor". but I do care that other families will choose to protect themselves with the vaccines.
 
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im wary of any vaccine really, i got extrememly sick from my mmr vacine as a baby


although i guess the regular flu shots arent attenuated.
 
i got both these shots on Friday, at the same time. i was completely miserable the next day... i recommend getting them separately if possible.

btw im 14 with asthma so im pretty sure i qualify for the H1N1 shot.
 
Plec123;3566464; said:
i got both these shots on Friday, at the same time. i was completely miserable the next day... i recommend getting them separately if possible.

btw im 14 with asthma so im pretty sure i qualify for the H1N1 shot.

good for you, sorry to hear you felt ill tho.

it is scary - but since kids have been more impacted by H1N1 in more recent times (more cases in last few weeks of deaths than in the 1st for months of this "pandemic"), I'd rather get my kids vaccinated & play the odds or risk it that they get a bad reaction from the vaccine than risk it if they catch it & they are healthy but come down with other complications as many of those kids who died - they were all healthy but most/all didn't have the vaccine.

we can all debate this either way - in the end for those against this & those who cite so many other human issues that cause more deaths than H1N1 to reason against those who try to cite the growing alarm of H1N1 - great job! you all win the argument!

I concede the fact they are all right - true so many die from reg. flu related illnesses (that is many have died catching the flu & either had other underlying conditions or developed further complications). and more die from drunken drivers, smoking, heart attacks, cancer, etc. etc.
 
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