HBO Special - Death on a Factory Farm

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It is a documentary that involves an animal rights advocate who goes undercover to work on a Hog farm, covertly videotaping the practices within and attempting to collect physical evidence for an animal cruelty investigation by the Humane Farming Association.

He takes photographs videotapes various methods of treatment, housing, living conditions, and euthanasia of the livestock on the farm. Piglets that are small, deformed, or otherwise considered undesireable are immediately culled, usually by method of blunt force trauma (one of the recommended methods by veterinarians). For the adults, most sick or injured animals are moved to pens where, being unable to get food or water on their own, they eventually die and are dumped in a pit in the rear of the farm.

Eventually, the farm owner, its General Manager, and an employee are brought to trial with the evidence collected in the investigation. Central to the case against the farm is a video of a sick sow being hung by the neck with a chain from a front loading tractor. The animal appears to struggle and suffer for some 4-5 minutes before it stops moving.

The decision of the court considered that there are no easy or economical methods of euthanising an adult hog, and determined that the practice at the farm could not be considered to be torture to the animals.

Did anyone get a chance to see this? If so, what are your thoughts?

For me, it's no secret that the meat producing industry is not pretty. It's also no secret that many of us, in modern society, have been sheltered from the death and gore that preceeds us buying clean, neatly packaged meat in the supermarket.

Is this a function of nature, though? For example, when a pride of lions take down a wildebeast and begin to eat it before it is dead, does that animal suffer less than the cows in our meat packing plants? Obviously, humans have the ability to come up with other methods - after all, all the lions have are their teeth and their claws - does that mean that we have a duty to minimize pain and suffering? Is it our ability to have compassion for other living things that even makes this an issue at all?

I'm conflicted about the issue. And I REALLY, REALLY like barbeque.
 
I was raised in the country, raising farm animals, culling them and slaughtering them are an everyday part of life. The people who think everyday is pretty and the sun always shines, should give up eating meat.

If they do give up eating meat, have them raise their own vegetables, that business is not as pretty as running down to the "organic market" and picking up some carrots.

The world is a tough place.

I am not conflicted in any way shape or form.
 
I didn't see the show but am interested in this topic.

I think that there will always be "difficult things to understand" in agricultural practices but i feel that the beginnings of cruelty and barbaric practices come from two lapses in business practice.

Firstly, the absence of enforcement of rules and regulations on a farm, and the absence of vetting and surveillance of often underpaid and unenthusiastic agricultural workers.
 
I'm glad there are people out there who can make judgment based on knowledge. I think far too many don't realize what goes on "behind the scenes." I'm not just generalizing or stereotyping...i feel like my head is going to explode listening to class discussions in 200+ person lectures at school.

Any business wants to make money, the larger scale the bigger the operation. Its obvious that corners will be cut, and efficiency is the target. Just like the pet industry...many atrocities just for a buck and someones pleasure.

BTW i don't eat meat. And besides the fact it would probably make me sick, i can't say i wouldn't if it wasn't from a factory farm (and likely in a remote area not in the U.S). Like eggs, i haven't eaten eggs (directly) in years but if i had my own hens i don't see why not. Its also not necessarily just the cruelty aspect of it in my opinion. Factory farming is draining on most resources.
 
On thing to consider....what is a humane way to slaugther an animal without using any chemicals 'n such? Generally has to end up being the good old fashioned way. In a lot of beef factories, they use air hammerrs to kill the cows. t is a pneumatic punch that is shot into the head, killing them instantly. some places like chicken farms don't use anything but a knife and just cut off their heads. Its a rough business. But if they didn't do it. We would be out shooting them with arrows or guns and then they mgiht lay in pain while they slowly died. I'm all for being humane, but I gotta eat.
 
i would say a well-aimed point-black gunshot to the head is how youre supposed to kill an animal for consumption
i love to eat meat :drool:
but id rather my bacon not be tortured...
 
Bottomfeeder;2923413; said:
i would say a well-aimed point-black gunshot to the head is how youre supposed to kill an animal for consumption
i love to eat meat :drool:
but id rather my bacon not be tortured...
Yep, when I had 4-H livestock, I visited a slaughterhouse to see how it was done. They used a small shotgun
 
andyjs;2923429; said:
Yep, when I had 4-H livestock, I visited a slaughterhouse to see how it was done. They used a small shotgun
its instananeous and since a pig cant associate a gun with death, its not stressful.
but hanging it?? :OMG:
 
Just FYI if you didn't watch the documentary, testimony from the defense revealed injuries to emloyees from using gunshot - in once instance, a bullet ricochet from the skull of the hog, to the floor, and into the shooters leg. The thickness of an adult hog's skull make using gunshot a risky method. And while a pig doesn't associate a gun with death - I promise you that the 4th or 5th pig in line is going to be absolutely freaked by the time it is their turn, hearing so many gunshots go off inside a large concrete and metal structure. Not to mention, I've never shot an animal before - but seeing what my tiny 9mm does to the various things I've shot - I wouldn't want to clean up that mess if I were a business.

If hanging pigs is the safest inexpensive method - I wonder why they don't at least use CO2 to anesthitize them beforehand. CO2 is cheap...
 
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