Pharaoh;2923231; said:
well said....totally agree.
ive seen videos of cullings...not a nice sight.
but its fast and delivers the least pain to an animal....
HBO Special - Death on a Factory Farm
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well said....totally agree.
ive seen videos of cullings...not a nice sight.
but its fast and delivers the least pain to an animal....
I fully understand business is about maximum efficiency and profit. I understand that the business dealing with any animals always has some gray areas as to what is and is not humane.
But at the end of the day those are living creatures, and if we are such a superior bred of animal should we not show them the respect that they deserve?
We can look down on the practices of third world nations, call tribes people savages, and yet still practice these methods on our lively hood?
In that case who is the bigger savage? The tribes people that hunt food in the woods with an arrow with no other means of humane killing to animals they need to survive or ourselves that have the means but just don't want to endure the extra cost?
But at the end of the day those are living creatures, and if we are such a superior bred of animal should we not show them the respect that they deserve?
We can look down on the practices of third world nations, call tribes people savages, and yet still practice these methods on our lively hood?
In that case who is the bigger savage? The tribes people that hunt food in the woods with an arrow with no other means of humane killing to animals they need to survive or ourselves that have the means but just don't want to endure the extra cost?
I think that its going to be tough to convince any farm-worker to respect the lives of the animals and all of that. Working with animals, experience sickness and death as an everyday thing, you get jaded to it and the emotional side of it just simply isn't there.
As much as I look down on mistreating animals to offset profit or loss, I also think that some animal rights activists have unrealistic expectations for animal keepers, farmers, etc. There has got to be some kind of middle ground on this. I mean, in 2009, I can do more on my blackberry than what a computer built 15 years ago can do - we really can't figure out how to treat livestock in a more humane way?
I was hesitant to post because I thought it might trigger a flame war, but really wanted to see what others thought. Good opinions on both sides of the fence.
As much as I look down on mistreating animals to offset profit or loss, I also think that some animal rights activists have unrealistic expectations for animal keepers, farmers, etc. There has got to be some kind of middle ground on this. I mean, in 2009, I can do more on my blackberry than what a computer built 15 years ago can do - we really can't figure out how to treat livestock in a more humane way?
I was hesitant to post because I thought it might trigger a flame war, but really wanted to see what others thought. Good opinions on both sides of the fence.
elevatethis;2926231; said:
you raise a good point. that being said, I think the farmers still try and kill their own personal stock for their use humanly. A friend of mine uses any one of his centerfire rifles and he finds that a shot in the chest with a ballistic tip or soft point drops a cow without too much suffering.
elevatethis;2926231; said:
I'm with you 100%. There needs to be a middle ground, the main problem (from where I'm standing) is that the farmers have very little reason to deal with most rights/welfare groups due to the unbridled hatred shown by the group. The activists want us all to be vegan so the refuse to allow a middle ground.
It is not to say that ALL farmers are evil, and that they mistreat their animals.
The problem is that there are quite a few of them that do.
I do agree that there are points where animal societies and the such go a bit over the top about things.
I just find it sad to see animals really suffering at the hand of us for whatever reason.
The problem is that there are quite a few of them that do.
I do agree that there are points where animal societies and the such go a bit over the top about things.
I just find it sad to see animals really suffering at the hand of us for whatever reason.
i grew up in the country and my mums best friend lived on the hunt. which is where they keep the hounds and horses for fox hunting. with that came a slaughter house, although not used for meat for human consumption i saw animals get killed, skinned gutted etc.
anything that died or needed to be killed and road kill within a 5 mile radius was bought there to be put out of its misery or b prepared for the hounds.
luckily they did it humanely, yes it affected the way i ate meat, knowing it was living as seeing the process of alive to meat and smelling the smell in the summer etc. i now eat meat allbeit not alot of meat lol.
for people in denial about how it still works in the US (not pin pointing but its where facts came from) read 'skinny *****' its a book by 2 women that are against any meat, caffeine, basically anything bad for you. i dont agree with the whole book, but reading the section where people went in to interview people that worked on the farms certainly opens your eyes on how its done and its FAR from it. i know people may disagree with me and i have been informed by a member off of here to read 'the jungle' by upton sinclair, to really open my eyes coz he thought THAT was bad.. me being me, i went and bought it and its NOTHING compared to what i have read and seen in slaughterhouses.
the agency (cant remember what it is called) that is supposed to do quarterly checks on slaughterhouses doesnt do it for years therefore letting people get away with the mistreatment of animals and can go as far as sexual abuse to animals. there are some sick people out there.
essay over lol
anything that died or needed to be killed and road kill within a 5 mile radius was bought there to be put out of its misery or b prepared for the hounds.
luckily they did it humanely, yes it affected the way i ate meat, knowing it was living as seeing the process of alive to meat and smelling the smell in the summer etc. i now eat meat allbeit not alot of meat lol.
for people in denial about how it still works in the US (not pin pointing but its where facts came from) read 'skinny *****' its a book by 2 women that are against any meat, caffeine, basically anything bad for you. i dont agree with the whole book, but reading the section where people went in to interview people that worked on the farms certainly opens your eyes on how its done and its FAR from it. i know people may disagree with me and i have been informed by a member off of here to read 'the jungle' by upton sinclair, to really open my eyes coz he thought THAT was bad.. me being me, i went and bought it and its NOTHING compared to what i have read and seen in slaughterhouses.
the agency (cant remember what it is called) that is supposed to do quarterly checks on slaughterhouses doesnt do it for years therefore letting people get away with the mistreatment of animals and can go as far as sexual abuse to animals. there are some sick people out there.
essay over lol
As far as animal rights groups going overboard - specifically groups like PETA - have an agenda. When that agenda is, among other things, to rid the world of meat processing in all shapes and forms, how do you expect meat processors to consider ANYTHING being suggested?
Groups like the HFA (Humane Farming Association) appear to be working towards acheiving that 'middle ground' between satisfying the demand for meat while upholding some kind of moral duty to the animals and to the environment. They aren't against eating meat, or raising animals for the purposes thereof. I think that it is a noble cause and while some of their expectations may not be economically feasable at the present date, I think that we need groups like this to keep the industry from becoming complacent over time with their methods.
The quote from the documentary comes to mind "We've been hanging pigs like this for generations." Why is it, that in the same span of time, we've invented automobiles, computers, and have people living on a space station, but the farming industry is still hanging pigs? Innovation and progress are necessary, but in a time the population is increasing and the demand for meat products continues to expand - I could see this problem getting much worse should the industry be left completely to their own devices.
Groups like the HFA (Humane Farming Association) appear to be working towards acheiving that 'middle ground' between satisfying the demand for meat while upholding some kind of moral duty to the animals and to the environment. They aren't against eating meat, or raising animals for the purposes thereof. I think that it is a noble cause and while some of their expectations may not be economically feasable at the present date, I think that we need groups like this to keep the industry from becoming complacent over time with their methods.
The quote from the documentary comes to mind "We've been hanging pigs like this for generations." Why is it, that in the same span of time, we've invented automobiles, computers, and have people living on a space station, but the farming industry is still hanging pigs? Innovation and progress are necessary, but in a time the population is increasing and the demand for meat products continues to expand - I could see this problem getting much worse should the industry be left completely to their own devices.
On a side note, sorta going along with the lack of updating the practices and like i mentioned before, there is much more to it than just ethics.
Many don't realize what it takes for factory farming to operate. Its frankly devastating to the environment and inefficiently depletes natural resources. Most of the grain produced goes to feeding animals so they can be fed to humans. Thus clearing even more land, here and abroad. Not to mention the methane production, and waste. Groundwater contamination, runoff, polluted watersheds in the area (i hope they don't have wells). Bacteria contamination will kill fish and wreak havoc on any ecosystem. What gets to me the most is the absentmindedness...its bought in the grocery store nicely packaged completely ignorant of what had to suffer and what had to be destroyed to get that.
Too many self-proclaimed 'animal lovers' would never knowingly pay to hurt something right?
Many don't realize what it takes for factory farming to operate. Its frankly devastating to the environment and inefficiently depletes natural resources. Most of the grain produced goes to feeding animals so they can be fed to humans. Thus clearing even more land, here and abroad. Not to mention the methane production, and waste. Groundwater contamination, runoff, polluted watersheds in the area (i hope they don't have wells). Bacteria contamination will kill fish and wreak havoc on any ecosystem. What gets to me the most is the absentmindedness...its bought in the grocery store nicely packaged completely ignorant of what had to suffer and what had to be destroyed to get that.
Too many self-proclaimed 'animal lovers' would never knowingly pay to hurt something right?
