HITH lATERAL LINE DISEASE IN CICHLA

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
HITH is caused by stress, and in a glass box stress can come in many forms, for many different species of fish.

In the case of blackwater species I agree with both Matt, and Tom, in that those species found in acidic blackwater environments do not always cope well with various parasites/pathogens found in non blackwater environments.


Why do some fish get HITH while others kept in the same tank, and fed the exact same diet do not? I posted the following in a past discussion on fish health .....


IMO the reason for this is due to the fact that all fish are individuals, and while they can have individual behaviors & temperaments, I also believe that each fish can only tolerate individual levels of stress before they weaken enough to become susceptible to these stressors. You'll typically find that the same holds true for most organisms on our planet, including humans.

Just as one can have genetic runts, I also believe that one can end up with fish that have genetically weak immune systems, or at least weaker than normal. This would explain why one fish in a tank full of (any species), can end up with fungus, or pop eye, or HITH, or whatever, while other fish in the same tank have no health issues whatsoever. Or why some fish survive an ammonia spike, while others drop like flies. Or why only one female in a tank full of breeders ends up egg bound, while no other females ever exhibit this problem.

In the wild Mother Nature has a way of dealing with fish such as this, but what if some of these fish are collected, and exported? How many people cull WC fish? Most breeders will do almost anything to save a prized egg bound female, yet in the wild that fish would either pull through on its own, or else .....

Overuse of medication can also cause an immune system to become severely compromised. Many exporters & importers dose the fish with meds shortly after they are collected or received, again with tranqs when the fish are shipped, while many hobbyists dose the fish yet again with meds when they arrive to their new home. (as a precautionary step) Already the fish have the odds stacked against them, and all it takes is one single weak link to start a snowball effect in ones tank.

Perhaps in some cases, even when we do everything right, it ultimately all boils down to nothing more than a roll of the dice with certain individual fish.

..................................................





The actual pathogen that has been identified as being most commonly associated with HITH disease is Spironucleus vortens, a pathogen that I have discussed in great detail in a number of past threads, including a few that were later made stickies here on MFK. From one of those past discussions;

"In freshwater fish, Spironucleus sp. has been reported in cichlids, including angelfish, and cyprinids. Spironucleus elegans has been found causing disease in angelfish (Pterophyllum scalare) in Europe (Kulda and Lom, 1964b), while Spironucleus vortens has been also reported from the intestinal lumen of angelfish bred in Florida (Poynton et al., 1995). They can be found in the intestinal tracts of healthy fish and they may invade the body of the host and are capable of causing severe parasitemia under stress conditions (Molnár, 1974).

Hexamita are considered commensal organisms but can be pathogenic under various stressful conditions such as nutritional inadequacies, suboptimal water quality, crowding, poor sanitation and infections from other pathogens or parasites (Specht et al., 1989; Uzmann et al., 1965)

Although Hexamita and Spironucleus cause disease in several economically important fish species in many regions of the world, their pathogenicity is not well known (Woo and Poynton, 1995). It has been believed that the effects and the severity of diplomonad infection are dependent on fish size, tissue site infested, environmental conditions, stocking density, season and stress factors (Allison, 1963; Buchmann and Uldal, 1996; Mo et al., 1990; Uldal and Buchmann, 1996). Fish infected with Hexamita salmonis exhibited clinical signs correlated to their body length and weight (Uldal and Buchmann, 1996). This supports the study of Allison (1963) that large trout, more than 3 or 4 inches long, showed a smaller effect from Hexamita infection than smaller trout.

It is believed that the organisms invade the intestinal epithelium and disseminate to other tissues when the host’s resistance has been suppressed (Woo and Poynton, 1995). It has been suggested that only Spironucleus spp. cause systemic infection because they can invade intestinal mucosa and disseminate to other tissues (Siddall et al., 1992). Evidence of systemic spironucleosis was reported in cyprinids and aquarium fishes (Molnár, 1974), and in salmonids (Mo et al., 1990; Poppe et al., 1992; Sterud et al., 1997).

It has been suggested that only Spironucleus spp. cause systemic infection because they can invade intestinal mucosa and disseminate to other tissues (Siddall et al., 1992). Evidence of systemic spironucleosis was reported in cyprinids and aquarium fishes (Molnár, 1974), and in salmonids (Mo et al., 1990; Poppe et al., 1992; Sterud et al., 1997). In cyprinids, many Spironucleus sp. were found in the gut where they caused reddening of the mucous membrane, brownish-gray discoloration and necrosis of liver, and haemorrhagic enteritis. In aquarium fishes, the parasite has been reported to cause losses in angelfish stock of up to 50% of the population. The infected fishes showed reddening of the skin, and haemorrhages and ulcerations in the region of the head (Molnár, 1974). The parasites were found in the gut, gallbladder and visceral organs. Spironucleus sp. were also found in large numbers in the blood and the muscle of infected fish."


That info came from a 200+ page paper on S. vortens and Angelfish, which can be found in the following link.

http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-120399-140825/unrestricted/ANGEL.PDF







HTH
 
The issue as I think it pertains to “Black water” fish has to do with the physiological aspect of how this affects the fish. As an organism ages it changes, maladies that affect us now never bothered us as kids and it’s the same with humans and fish. Our physiological make up changes and along with this are ability to resist certain disease changes. This is why I feel a fish that has been fine for 3+ years is all of a sudden not. Cichlia are not magical unicorns they are not any different than any other carnivorous fish from the black water rivers of South America as far as this issue is concerned.

We keep water not fish as the old saying goes. Let me talk about wild caught fish kept in aquaria here not tank raised aquarium strains in a broader sense. As I stated in another thread fish evolve in an ecological niche. They have developed an immune system that copes with the parasites and diseases that occur within their natural range. The Ph in this range is pretty acidic however varies from area to area so while some species and or sub species therein that come from an area with water parameters more conducive to Hexamita can cope with it better than a species that comes from an area where it can’t survive. Look at the diseases brought to the new world from Europe that wiped out entire populations as they had no natural immunity to it. These protozoan’s evolved like all other organisms on earth, to take advantage of curtain conditions that are conducive to their proliferation. The question then becomes what about this fish as opposed to the others that makes it an environment that allows Hex to thrive? It is in the broader sense an environmental issue be it internal or external we may never know as it pertains to this particular fish. It maybe it's somthing as simple as this fish isn’t producing stomach acid the same as it used to.

As far as diet is concerned I’m not sure. It is possible some part of its diet has caused the digestive tract to become more basic and a rise in Ph could be enough to create an environment perfect for the hex to take hold. Perhaps lowering the level of animal protean and increasing the amount of vegetable matter could be a start. I would also include raw garlic in the diet for now. We are now left to treat the condition but must address/discover the root cause. There is a good sticky in the Fresh Water Disease and Health Issues about the use of Probiotics in Aquaria and competitive exclusion. Worth a read.

This is an interesting subject. Good luck. This is just my opinion not regurgatated information from the internet. ;)

HITH is caused by stress, and in a glass box stress can come in many forms, for many different species of fish.

In the case of blackwater species I agree with both Matt, and Tom, in that those species found in acidic blackwater environments do not always cope well with various parasites/pathogens found in non blackwater environments.


Why do some fish get HITH while others kept in the same tank, and fed the exact same diet do not? I posted the following in a past discussion on fish health .....


IMO the reason for this is due to the fact that all fish are individuals, and while they can have individual behaviors & temperaments, I also believe that each fish can only tolerate individual levels of stress before they weaken enough to become susceptible to these stressors. You'll typically find that the same holds true for most organisms on our planet, including humans.

Just as one can have genetic runts, I also believe that one can end up with fish that have genetically weak immune systems, or at least weaker than normal. This would explain why one fish in a tank full of (any species), can end up with fungus, or pop eye, or HITH, or whatever, while other fish in the same tank have no health issues whatsoever. Or why some fish survive an ammonia spike, while others drop like flies. Or why only one female in a tank full of breeders ends up egg bound, while no other females ever exhibit this problem.

In the wild Mother Nature has a way of dealing with fish such as this, but what if some of these fish are collected, and exported? How many people cull WC fish? Most breeders will do almost anything to save a prized egg bound female, yet in the wild that fish would either pull through on its own, or else .....

Overuse of medication can also cause an immune system to become severely compromised. Many exporters & importers dose the fish with meds shortly after they are collected or received, again with tranqs when the fish are shipped, while many hobbyists dose the fish yet again with meds when they arrive to their new home. (as a precautionary step) Already the fish have the odds stacked against them, and all it takes is one single weak link to start a snowball effect in ones tank.

Perhaps in some cases, even when we do everything right, it ultimately all boils down to nothing more than a roll of the dice with certain individual fish.

..................................................





The actual pathogen that has been identified as being most commonly associated with HITH disease is Spironucleus vortens, a pathogen that I have discussed in great detail in a number of past threads, including a few that were later made stickies here on MFK. From one of those past discussions;




That info came from a 200+ page paper on S. vortens and Angelfish, which can be found in the following link.

http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-120399-140825/unrestricted/ANGEL.PDF







HTH
I must say thanks to both of you ANY info is good info especially when not Regurgitated nonsense;)
 
No problem, glad to help.



I posted the following last year to another member that was having HITH issues with a new fish that he had purchased...........



While the jury is still out on much of the information surrounding the causes of HITH (freshwater) & HLLE (marine) it is clear that there can be several triggers, and what one hobbyist may experience with their fish, may have nothing to do with what the next person experiences with their fish.

Treating for hexamita via 3% epsom salt infused food is a very good idea when HITH is suspected. It's safe, cheap, and will remove any possibility of the fish carrying hexamita/spironuleus, as in some cases these internal protozoa that are very common in tropical fish, will explode in numbers in a fish that's under stress. If nothing else it will clean the fish out & remove the possibility of hex/spiro later surfacing as a secondary infection. The link to that treatment was posted previously by Heather.



There is also some more current info available on the carbon dust theory as well, but it pertains to HLLE in marine fish.

http://www.coralmagazine-us.com/content/activated-carbon-hlle-smoking-gun-found


As far as nutrition and/or vitamins being a cause, or a potential cure, I know of only 2 studies that have involved HLLE and diet, the one linked to above that was performed at the Toledo Zoo, and the one that author mentions by Tilghman et al from the University of Florida. I'm familiar with both studies and in both cases NLS was used as part of the control diet as it has been proven to NOT induce HLLE. In other words, if one wants to remove a nutrient poor diet from the equation it's as simple as feeding NLS. That won't solve or remove the various other potential causes, but it will remove any concerns with regards to insufficient nutrient levels. Although I am sure that at least with most freshwater species, the vast majority of the more premium commercial fish foods on the market will also be more than adequate at preventing any type of nutritional deficiencies.
 
some great information there! thanks rd! I have been fortunate enough not to have hith yet but am prepared for it!thanks again RD.
 
some great information there! thanks rd! I have been fortunate enough not to have hith yet but am prepared for it!thanks again RD.

Cj what do you do different than most of us? DO y0u use any black water? Or do you have species only tanks?
 
Cj what do you do different than most of us? DO y0u use any black water? Or do you have species only tanks?

I don't even know what black water is!
I do nothing I consider out of the ordinary.water changes, food and lotsa dedication.. same as everyone else..i honestly think I have been lucky..thats all..
 
I don't even know what black water is!
I do nothing I consider out of the ordinary.water changes, food and lotsa dedication.. same as everyone else..i honestly think I have been lucky..thats all..

Black water is full of tannins. Lots of almond leaves and/or driftwood can create this effect in the home aquaria from what I understand.
 
Black water is full of tannins. Lots of almond leaves and/or driftwood can create this effect in the home aquaria from what I understand.

oh, well I have driftwood and have dabbled in tanins..nothing was better than what I had, so, I just went back to regular water changes and lots of food.
 
great discussions fellow cichla herders. I will try to post a vid of one the one bass I had that had HITH bad. he has sinced been healed then traded in. But this is a very informative discussion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPUoTdvg7go ok in the video it is the one on the left his HITH was actually shaped like a heart on top of his head. Sorry I never took any upclose shots. This bass was mainly fed feeders as he and the guianas refused to eat pellets. Now i would feed the feeders pellets.
 
great discussions fellow cichla herders. I will try to post a vid of one the one bass I had that had HITH bad. he has sinced been healed then traded in. But this is a very informative discussion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPUoTdvg7go ok in the video it is the one on the left his HITH was actually shaped like a heart on top of his head. Sorry I never took any upclose shots. This bass was mainly fed feeders as he and the guianas refused to eat pellets. Now i would feed the feeders pellets.
Funny you touched on this maybe you know or maybe it is quite by chance!!!!!:D:nilly::nilly::nilly: Occellaris, Pinima, Temensis ,Intermedia to name a few seem to be very susceptible to Hith Or some form of this !!!! Now Orino ,Kelberi,Mono ,Xingu seem to vertually bullet proof in aquarium setting and even Azul to an extent but not as much this is where i wanted the discusion to head when i first posted it took a while but i think we are getting there!!!!!:nilly::nilly::D
 
MonsterFishKeepers.com