yes and peat and and and and That is why i am begging for help here guys ...It may just be me BUT!!!! In my Small Pee brain i just do not think its water i just don't!!!!
HITH lATERAL LINE DISEASE IN CICHLA
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Out of curosity what is the PH and hardness in your tank? Is this a wild cought fish? I'm under the assumption it is but I never asked. Is it the dominant fish in the tank?
YEs Yes Ok i have been waiting for the thread to get to this point!!!!NOw !!!!RD and Aquanero This is my systems that i run in a nut shell My 675 1 bead filter 58watt high output uv ,1 moving bed ,1 drip sump 9000 gph This is filtration on my 675 gallon tank..And before ya say it is to much flow believe me i have 1.5 outputs on the system 3000 gph blowing right on them when they swim by you can scarcely see that it is blowing (that's how big the fish are!!!!)And finally in closing i feed all of these fish pre measured amounts of high quality prepaired foods Now What do you guys think?????? and do not spare my feelings RD and Aquanero if i am doing something blatingly wrong let me know OH!!!!!!!! i almost forgot in this system i have well over 200 pounds of driftwood for tannins minerals and such thank you very much Hugh!!!!!!
Yes all the fish are wild caught She is not the dominant fish in the tank never has been But when feeding or someone messing with her she holds her own LOL!!!!Ph stays steady bout 7.4 ..I quoted My system specs in case you did not happen to see them one page back....
I'm sure you two are Busy But i am still on the edge of my seat waiting for your thoughts RD and Aquanero
Interesting thread for sure. I certainly do not know the cause but do you guys think that perhaps genetics play a role? I know that HITH is preventable but I find it interesting that in some tanks, some fish could have a bad case of it while others in the same tank may not have any. Perhaps some fish are genetically more prone to HITH similar to how some humans are to high blood pressure or other ailments. Combine a fish with a predisposition to HITH and combine sub par water quality and you have a recipe for an outbreak where as another fish living in the same tank who may not be prone to it can live in the same conditions and show no signs of it. Just thinking out loud here but maybe it could be a role.
There is only one problem with your theory especially with hulons setup "sub par water quality" this guy has one of the best filtration set ups here on mfk he has pristine water quality
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I stated exactly that in post #61. There is no question in my mind that is exactly why some fish become ill, and others in the same tank do not.
BTW - crazy mad filtration does not necessarily equate to the "best" or most ideal water quality for any given species of fish. Nor does adding a bunch of driftwood equate to one that closely matches the water conditions that a fish would find in a blackwater environment.
I think that some of you are looking at the BIG picture, and missing some of the finer points being presented.
I don't have a specific answer as to what triggered this. The causes could be numerous, the city could have made an adjustment to the water as an example do you have the last few years water reports for your area? It could be somthing internal within the fish some of us get cancer some don't. It could be as stated a genetic weakness that makes this "family" more suseptable, I can roll in poision ive and don't get some people can't get within 10 feet of it. Maybe the current is too strong and the fish is stressed, maybe the long term exposure to a PH at 7.4 took its toll. Maybe, maybe, maybe, there is nothing that jumps out at me and says YES THIS IS IT. You will IMO start by process of elimination. Change one thing and wate to see what happens. Diet is an important part of the mix too. I wish I had somthing more for you but I don't.
I'm not a bass guy but I would love to see a list compiled by you guys as far as specific conditions found within different species ranges and incidences of HITH within captive populations, as I layed out in a previous post. Thet would be a great study.
I'm not a bass guy but I would love to see a list compiled by you guys as far as specific conditions found within different species ranges and incidences of HITH within captive populations, as I layed out in a previous post. Thet would be a great study.
I know it do help a lot when us, hobbysts, start a compilation of data about our experiences like this.
But for science, it cant be taken so serious because its kinda random stuff. As aquanero said, there are lots of variables involved.
Just because my ocellaris get HITH, as hullons ocellaris did, and we have 7.4 pH, withouth using almond leaves, we cant conclude 100% that the HITH was caused by non black water (no tanins + humic acid).
Our water have different compositions, we do different treatments to the aquarium, we feed our fish differently. See how you cant be 100% sure about anything?
I know here nobody intends to be a scientist, but I see lots of people with deep theorical knowledge, much more than me to be honest, like aquanero, RD. And thats why Im writting this.
I think the only real way to know this is by simple scientific methodology. Unfortunately I dont see any work with Cichla coming, principally for Cichla as a aquarium fish with HITH. Which is very sad, for me there are few things worst than losing a fish dont knowing exactly what to do even after researching a lot.
But ur guys compilating these data will be very helpful, because lots of hypothesis are being born here, this topic is the living proof of it.
Who knows if some day, one of us taking hold of all those ideas and hypothesis can test them applying scientific method. This would be what I call taking hobby to the next level. =p
And hope you guys dont mind if I take it to serious, but I was teached to think like this.
But for science, it cant be taken so serious because its kinda random stuff. As aquanero said, there are lots of variables involved.
Just because my ocellaris get HITH, as hullons ocellaris did, and we have 7.4 pH, withouth using almond leaves, we cant conclude 100% that the HITH was caused by non black water (no tanins + humic acid).
Our water have different compositions, we do different treatments to the aquarium, we feed our fish differently. See how you cant be 100% sure about anything?
I know here nobody intends to be a scientist, but I see lots of people with deep theorical knowledge, much more than me to be honest, like aquanero, RD. And thats why Im writting this.
I think the only real way to know this is by simple scientific methodology. Unfortunately I dont see any work with Cichla coming, principally for Cichla as a aquarium fish with HITH. Which is very sad, for me there are few things worst than losing a fish dont knowing exactly what to do even after researching a lot.
But ur guys compilating these data will be very helpful, because lots of hypothesis are being born here, this topic is the living proof of it.
Who knows if some day, one of us taking hold of all those ideas and hypothesis can test them applying scientific method. This would be what I call taking hobby to the next level. =p
And hope you guys dont mind if I take it to serious, but I was teached to think like this.
