How fat is too fat?

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No worries Steve, I know exactly where this all came from. Methinks you are more easily offended than you let on. Either way, feel free to ignore, or not, it certainly won't be affecting me.



All excess calories have the potential to be converted to fat, but typically in fish food a fatty liver condition is caused by excess crude fat. As an example, someone feeding trout chow to a cichlid, as most trout chow has a higher protein level, and much higher lipid levels. That's why I asked what the crude protein, and crude fat levels are in Steve's food. (not fiber) Years ago there was a paper written on this exact thing by Ruth Francis-Floyd et al, at the University of Florida where trout chow was fed to African cichlids, including a carnivorous species, and even the short term results from this 12 week study were alarming.

Also from this paper;

"Fatty infiltration of the liver has also been designated "the most common metabolic disturbance and most frequent cause of death in aquarium fish"

"With prolonged feeding of a high-energy, lipid rich diet, degenerative changes of the liver and death can occur unless the diet is corrected."

This study came about after some cichlid farms in south FL suffered from some large mortalities in both 1998 & 1999. When the dead fish were examined they showed fatty infiltration of the liver, heavy vacuolation, and severe necrosis of the liver, pancreas, and spleen.

It was suggested to the farms that they replace their feeds with one that had a lower lipid content (less than 10%) and supplement the feed with a vitamin premix. Clinical signs in the affected farms were resolved after implementation of these recommendations.


And yes, one can purchase lower protein/fat food, but honestly it sounds to me like this fish is simply a very aggressive eater in the tank and fish that it is currently cohabitating in. If target feeding becomes an option, I would personally feed gel food to this fish, as it mostly consists of water. That might help get things under control.
 
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I wonder if target feeding her unprocessed food like tilapia (which would be almost all protein, no carb and just a smidge if fat) would help?

This would be another good option as tilapia fillet would be approx. 70% water content. My only advice to add to that would be to ensure that the tilapia is presoaked in an all around vitamin/mineral supplement, such as Boyd Vitachem. Gel food removes that requirement, but might be more difficult to target feed.

Or she might just eat that, along with all the other food. lol
 
I wonder if target feeding her unprocessed food like tilapia (which would be almost all protein, no carb and just a smidge if fat) would help?

I was just ondering this, too. Maybe you could feed every other day annnnd half of those days could be a tilapia / krill rotation vs. pellets. Tilapia is cheap and it's easy to pre-prepare (chop up and keep in freezer) to make your life easier. It's also bulkier so might help her feel full faster?

This is pretty much what I did with my polys, with occasional earthworms or live blackworms for variety. I didn't personally soak my 'meaty' food in vitamins since I used a mix of a few pellets on my pellet days. I guess it wouldn't hurt though.
 
RD if you knew me in person you would realize how funny it is to think even for a second that I get easily offended :grinno:

I'll try the spot feeding with tilapia as well as pellets in the rotation so I don't have to soak the tilapia then. I know many here in the poly forum feed tilapia but I haven't used it yet myself, I've always used krill in place of it for a meaty food so I'm not sure which tilapia they are using. Is it just the normal tilapia fillets that you buy in the frozen food department?
 
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RD if you knew me in person you would realize how funny it is to think even for a second that I get easily offended :grinno:

I'll try the spot feeding with tilapia as well as pellets in the rotation so I don't have to soak the tilapia then. I know many here in the poly forum feed tilapia but I haven't used it yet myself, I've always used krill in place of it for a meaty food so I'm not sure which tilapia they are using. Is it just the normal tilapia fillets that you buy in the frozen food department?
Yup, just tilapia fillets from the store. Good luck!
 
Picked up some tilapia and just feed them. Tomorrow I won't feed that tank and then Friday I'll just feed pellets. We'll see how it goes. Thanks again for all the help everyone.

Kind a funny as well, I gave some tilapia to my Frontosa colony and they went nuts for it. I gave some to my 11" Oscar and he spit it back out. Strange because he loves krill, but for some reason he doesn't want anything to do with the tilapia :crazy:
 
Picked up some tilapia and just feed them. Tomorrow I won't feed that tank and then Friday I'll just feed pellets. We'll see how it goes. Thanks again for all the help everyone.

Kind a funny as well, I gave some tilapia to my Frontosa colony and they went nuts for it. I gave some to my 11" Oscar and he spit it back out. Strange because he loves krill, but for some reason he doesn't want anything to do with the tilapia :crazy:
They are fickle creatures those oscars
 
Picked up some tilapia and just feed them. Tomorrow I won't feed that tank and then Friday I'll just feed pellets. We'll see how it goes. Thanks again for all the help everyone.

Kind a funny as well, I gave some tilapia to my Frontosa colony and they went nuts for it. I gave some to my 11" Oscar and he spit it back out. Strange because he loves krill, but for some reason he doesn't want anything to do with the tilapia :crazy:
Odd behavior for an oscar, but then again they are primarily insectivorous in the wild....

I always get worried when a fish is fat, as there are several potential problems:
Excess weight puts strains on all a fishes (or humans really) organs, making complications more likely.an example would be a swimbladder malfunction (ask Sarahmander Sarahmander

Fatty Lipid Disease: basically to much fat buildup in the liver,very common cause of death in aquarium fish.

Stomach/organ rupture: more common in smaller fish, in extreme cases organs may rupture/burst , this usually occurs after a fish has consumed a lot of food in a short period.

 
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