How to pair up a hybrid couple?

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If I get 50% faders I'll be very happy :) About the pearling I plan to keep all the faders and all of the other fry with nice pearls to continue my line later.
I Also have a good source for nice carpinti males/females and if it nessesery will use them also :) As for the white if it comes it will be interesting but I don't believe that it will come on F1 ;)

Greatings Martin
 
50% faders is really high for an estimate even with a hybrid female like a blood parrot rose queen ect. the ammount of fry that will fade on the first attempt will be 1 out of 4 and even thats still a high estimate
 
gamerpond1 said:
50% faders is really high for an estimate even with a hybrid female like a blood parrot rose queen ect. the ammount of fry that will fade on the first attempt will be 1 out of 4 and even thats still a high estimate
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But you're talking about fish that get their fader genes FROM a pure species, midas/red devil to be exact, how would they have more of the fader gene than a pure species, when they only carry (at best) half of those genes? Especially when it's diluted even more by the texas blood? These fry will have twice as much fader blood in them as the fish you used in your example. Bearing in mind your estimate for a fish that only carries one quarter midas/red devil genes, you said 1 in 4, my estimate doesn't seem so far fetched.
 
Interesting, My midas is from both fader parrents I'm sure about that. But I'm not sure does it counts or fader is fader no metter one or two parrents are caring the gene. If I get 50% faders it will be awesome.
 
izzy_here said:
But you're talking about fish that get their fader genes FROM a pure species, midas/red devil to be exact, how would they have more of the fader gene than a pure species, when they only carry (at best) half of those genes? Especially when it's diluted even more by the texas blood? These fry will have twice as much fader blood in them as the fish you used in your example. Bearing in mind your estimate for a fish that only carries one quarter midas/red devil genes, you said 1 in 4, my estimate doesn't seem so far fetched.
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cause the hybrid is ussually from a asian breeder that is purchased by a vendor then sold to you and has parents that have been line bred for years for a certain color like super red devils where they are red orange not orange making the fader more of a dominant gene than a co-dominant gene and uses red from two different gene pools
 
gamerpond1 said:
cause the hybrid is ussually from a asian breeder that is purchased by a vendor then sold to you and has parents that have been line bred for years for a certain color like super red devils where they are red orange not orange making the fader more of a dominant gene than a co-dominant gene and uses red from two different gene pools
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Line breeding for a more red color (as compared to orange) would in no way increase the actual number of fader gene's. All that would do is make a prettier fader with the same number of fader genes. And I'm still unclear as to how a co-dom gene becomes a dom gene, that makes absolutely no sense. And further, I still don't see how the hybrids you speak of could possibly have more fader genes than a natural species when those genes have been diluted by the very act of hybridization. You speak of two gene pools. But use as many gene pools as you want, when you cross an ogliomelanistic fish with a non ogliomelanistic fish you didn't increase the number of fader genes, you reduced them.
 
izzy_here said:
Line breeding for a more red color (as compared to orange) would in no way increase the actual number of fader gene's. All that would do is make a prettier fader with the same number of fader genes. And I'm still unclear as to how a co-dom gene becomes a dom gene, that makes absolutely no sense. And further, I still don't see how the hybrids you speak of could possibly have more fader genes than a natural species when those genes have been diluted by the very act of hybridization. You speak of two gene pools. But use as many gene pools as you want, when you cross an ogliomelanistic fish with a non ogliomelanistic fish you didn't increase the number of fader genes, you reduced them.
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ok i wasn't actually saying it would be dominant trait it would still be co dominant and tell me why taking genes from two seletively bred fish that are more pure in color not as much wild morph genes not have a better effect than a to take one fish that still has natural colored genes(green bared), melanistic genes(black), peibaldism genes(white areas), leucistic genes(white), erythistic genes(red) and xanthic genes(yellow) now explain to me what ogliomelanistic is and from what i have read 1 out of 4 well fade on the f1s i would post some links to some old thread but im having trouble finding them on this subject when i do i'll post them for you
 
gamerpond1 said:
ok i wasn't actually saying it would be dominant trait it would still be co dominant and tell me why taking genes from two seletively bred fish that are more pure in color not as much wild morph genes not have a better effect than a to take one fish that still has natural colored genes(green bared), melanistic genes(black), peibaldism genes(white areas), leucistic genes(white), erythistic genes(red) and xanthic genes(yellow) now explain to me what ogliomelanistic is and from what i have read 1 out of 4 well fade on the f1s i would post some links to some old thread but im having trouble finding them on this subject when i do i'll post them for you
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Ogliomelanism is the scientific name for fader as seen in natural species, fairly sure we can use the word in regard to hybrids in this instance. Not understanding why you sent me links showing threads on hybrids again. You keep talking about the quality of the fader, that wasn't the conversation to begin with. I thought we were talking about quantity, the actual number of fry you'd get when crossing a midas/red devil to another non fader species. Your examples all seem to be dealing with some type of parrot to another non fading species. You do understand that a parrot of any type does not carry as much of the fader gene as a midas or red devil? That at best it carries only half the number of fader genes of a midas or red devil? So starting with a fish carrying only half the number of fader genes of rd/midas, then crossing it to a texas for example, leaves you with fry carrying 25% fader genes. Cross a rd/midas to a texas and you'll end up with fry carrying 50% fader genes. Which fry will have better color? The heck if I know, but the spawn carrying half rd/midas genes will have twice the number of faders, it's simple math & genetics. So now taking this further. You're saying a spawn that carries 25% fader genes will produce 1 in 4 faders, that would be 25% of the entire spawn. It follows that a spawn carrying 50% fader genes would have twice that number, 2 in 4, which comes to 50%
 
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