Before you're so quick to call it a scam, you should be sure that it was a malicious scam. I didn't purchase any of these, but I don't think it's fair to call it a scam. The seller seems to be genuine in his belief of what they are. As far as whether or not they're indos or ST, I dunno. I compared them to my old STs, and I couldn't make aa positive ID so I stayed away. But, there are some pretty legit experts who have weighed in with ST. I don't think anyone wants to speak up publicly unless they're bashing the seller... Kinda sad.