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No problem. Hey so I just realize you are in lumberton (NC right?) Anyways just so you know you got to get down here Thursday, July 17th through Sunday, July 20th, 2008 for the ACA 2008... OK sleep for real.
 
straitjacketstar;1398061; said:
What does black and white have anything to do with anything?
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The mbuna has what black white and a little yellow in its fins. All the fish that were mentioned were what black and blue, or if female fully yellow/orange etc. Anyways it doesn't matter.
 
ikevi;1398092; said:
The mbuna has what black white and a little yellow in its fins. All the fish that were mentioned were what black and blue, or if female fully yellow/orange etc. Anyways it doesn't matter.
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Funny. I see a fish with gray vertical and horizontal barring on a light background with a lot of brown wash. P. elongatus "ornatus" or P. elongatus "Likoma" females tend to be more of a brown color as opposed to yellow/orange, but they can be and have been easily confused as a johannii type species and are easily crossed creating hybrids that are never quite right for either species profile. The fish has a johanni type body but the elongatus color.
 
Like I said it doesn't matter. But we might as well clarify what I was thinking so you can see my thought process.

So you originally said:
The first is a typical M. johannii type hybrid.
A jumble of
M. johannii, Male= black and blue. Female =brown and orange
M. interruptus, Male= black and blue. Female =orange
M. cynoerhabdos , Male, and female= blue and black
P. elongatus types. all that I know off hand male= mis colors (black, blue, yellow) Most females, again orange, or black and blue.

So you later said it got its color for the P. elongatus "Likoma" female. Ok so I don't know the females of them very well hence I looked them up... and I can find hardly anything on them. Some people were saying theres were females since they had less color than the males. Still had yellow, blue and black. (gray is black in my book, it is just lighter black... especially with photos and how fish take pictures...)

Anyways as you can see I was confused since in my mind none of the fish you suggested as a mix even had the color... But if the likoma has the white then it does. And yes I can see how the two would mix and could have the two types of stripes. (Heck there are a ton of mixes I could put together to get the body and stripes... it was just the color that I hadn't seen.)

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=760
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=758
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=756
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=855

Again I ask that we just drop it. I know we don't know each other the greatest. BUT this goes for everyone. When I ask questions it is so that I can understand why people say things so that I am better informed. I am the type of person that doesn't want to piss people off but well in a writen form of comunication it might be seen as that. But what I do want to do is understand things.

In other words when people say it a fish is say a hybrid or it is say a says some other young fish. I want to be able to either look at obvious examples of the fish at say cichlid-forum.com, or I want the person giving there opinion to say why so that I can see what to look for when identifying that fish. (IE shape of foreheads, placement of eyes whatever the clue is.) I mean heck isn't that why we are here?

Ok end semi rant. I need to learn not to check this place right before I go to sleep.
 
I hear ya Ikevi... too many times I ask a question and then get called a jerk... I am just trying to expand my knowledge. I am trying to get a BAP up and running witha club, and I would like to make sure I am getting this type of info correct and understand thing so I can award points correctly...
 
I'm not trying to instigate an argument. :)
It's just the nature of the hobby.
I consider you a lot more helpful and knowledgeable than many of the other members on this particular board. ;)
 
Ok so i gave in and attempted to get in touch with the guy who had the small LFS when i bought the (Hap/Peacock ?)

I couldnt get in touch with him but later today i took a trip over to PA for a job I was working on after a while I was done on my way home, i pasted a LFS also wich seems to be a small chain- i know of 3 total now ( all have the same name)
Any way as i was looking around they had a row with like 100gs all cichlids and there was a small group of guys that looked close to what i remeber mine looking like when I bought mine.

I asked the guy what they were ( atcuall name not store name and he said they were Otopharynx....

Im like awwwww. i dont know about that, but the guy said that they grow threw major changes and that alot oftimes you cant say what they will look like till they are full grown- Now im not detailed with that group and i went on line

So far the closes I found "IF" mine was an Otopharynx is an Otopharynx lithobates, which I idnt know of intill today. As you can see its 3pm Eastern time- i found an artical on them if you guys want to read it.
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/o_lithobates.php

what do you think? too far fetch or is it a could be? the body and shape is right on and some what the color but i would have to wait and see anyway even if it was an Otopharynx... just kinda a thought and some great info I found.

best part about ID hunting sometimes is you find and learn about and more of things...If he's not- i still happy, either way I want one of these guys and now begains the next hunt....

Who and where to get one? LOL

And as for the above?! you know some times these posts are like Txt messages- due to the fact we cant hear the voice or tone it may be takenthe wrong way both ways... so I agree- i hate when I ask something and feel like an ass later for it- cause it makes me not want to post the second time I want to know... So i try to be open with it but the Nature Of the Hobby is To Learn and Care for Aquatic Life as well as Share with others...That gose for knowledge and experances to a pic of your tank- i have come 10X further because Ppl asked a question and I as a reader learned from it...

Keep the Drama for Myspace! LMAO LMAO
 
Ok the mystery is solved or I think, Thought....um could be
Sciaenochromis gracilis

I got a email back :

Hey Rj,
Sorry, I can not actually say what I did and what I did not have on hand on closing day, as far as stock. But I did get a couple of Sciaenochromis gracilis about 2 months before hand. Which I kept 3 myself and are close to what you sent me, despite mine have alot more, defined yellow. If i were to say so, considering I did not carry a large amount of Africain Cichlids. I would say best guess would be you most likely have one as well. Sorry I could not be more help.
Have a good New Year and may the best find you
Jerry Sutton.

He said that he is pretty sure its a Sciaenochromis gracilis.
i looked it up and found very little on them but the pic in the first link shows a Juvi and it carries the spot look as were in adults they have more barish body markings. this is why i thought the other posted 'Find" was my thought cause I recall him haveing a close look to that younger but dose have a barish mark now....
http://www.malawi-cichlids.de/gracilis.htm
http://www.africanfish.info/fisch_088.html





Im too confused on this, so you guys have to be the breaker

Hybreed( if so im not stocking him)
Otopharynx lithobates
Sciaenochromis gracilis

but so far these are the closest found- and im will to state: to the best of my knowledge and findings He is a....
 
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