Id please, st or it?
- Thread starter Wenzo0o0o0oo
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I just want to change their old school thinking, as we know more and more about datnoids than what we used to know in a decade ago.
By the look of bars, patterns and shapes, I believe it is a wide bar datnoid or a D.pulcher. It is impossible for me to acquire this fish, because I don't have the proper documents to cross the border nor the resources to do so.
It's kind of funny how the threadstarter hasn't posted any other photos of the fish including its other side and that he hasn't been back posting at all on the thread.
Before going into anything else, let's start with the 4th bar!
lymiq's ST still provide the perfect example of a bonnet curve as to compare to Wen's pic
The pic below, a local hobbyist 26" ST, it still has a near like bonnet feature. Although the curvature is not that great, but it is similar. So I believe this is another feature of ST other than the straight down 4th bar.
The same 2008 tiger with the other side + a different angle shot, it's not so a controversial tiger anymore, right?
Imagine if you see this beast today as 20"+, the controversial part wouldn't even exist anymore.
Anyway, a controversial, a ST, a wide bar, it is still called a D.pulcher... Common name can be anything, I can call it an orange tubby, but at the end of the day, it is still a D.pulcher and nothing else!
Of course it is judged by the overall appearance of the fish to determine if it is a D.pulcher or not! That's why I have been drawing diagrams and showing other people's CT, ST, IT to compare the similarity of Wen's pic.
So now your accusing of my so called CT as IT.
Instead of saying it is an IT over and over again. Now please post your finding, diagrams, DNA analysts, and any concrete evidences of proving these so called CT and ST as IT. Then I will make a call to my millionare friends in Asia and we will make a case of the false advertising and the unlawful transaction of these trades.
I am sure they can get you any albino fish, if you can make them realize they have been cheated...
Otherwise, we will just end the discussion here, because you have kept on failing to provide any key evidence to this matter at all...
"We" know more and more about datnoid by looking at and comparing to "old school" picture, try to find one or two similar trait so "we" can rename "we" fish. Quite a way "we" want to change their old school thinking.
Why would it be impossible for you to acquire that fish? Why don't you call up your millionaire friend in Asia to make it happen?
Diagram? The way you judge your fish is as same as someone judged a duck, and base on its webbed toes, white feather then called it a swan. Take a good look at the two pictures you used as examples, then look at the picture of your so-called CT, and find the differences, unless your eyes only see what you want to see, then we definitely need to end the discussion. Good luck to you and your so-called millionaire friends in Asia in making case with your knowledge. Sweet dream!
You must be blind too, my first comparison chart was based on the whole fish (There's a button to go back on the pages, if you don't know how to, please ask someone to guide you).
Just like the duck & swan story, I have compared about the body shape, stripes and etc etc. But you were just too busy of hammering me that you mixed up a swan duckling into a duck and blame me of saying a duck is a swan...
By the way, you never even let me continue the discussion of the difference between the 2 species. You just barged in and said it was an IT and end of discussion. You didn't even commit the time of telling others of what's the differences and the similarities between the 2 fish. Your just forcing your way though and making others to believe your own accord and not scientific facts and findings.
A few years ago, a fish store in Asia was selling a large amount of baby ST and CT. They were a reputable store and it got many customers. Many vendors and hobbyists in MFK spend a great deal to bring the CT / ST over to North America and it so happen that the fish in my avatar is one of them.
Now your saying that these fish were actually IT (without any prove), that means the fish store in Asia and the vendors in MFK were all liars? So they were all false advertising and making bad trades? If that's the fact, I am the victim too, would you please submit your findings to the ADMIN and BAN all these bad vendors! This is a VERY serious MATTER!!!!!
To answer your question shook, both species have pointy head.
The key feature of identifying is around the eye area.
For IT, the ascending slope that curve into the head is after the eye.
As for ST / D.pulcher, the ascending slope starts right at the middle or near the eye area, so it looks as if it gotten a larger forehead.
Sometimes it is hard to tell when the fish is small, but you can see this distinctive feature @ around 10"+. Although this ID works for most IT & D.pulcher, but in some extreme cases it will not.
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