I'm confused about Alligator Gars

[Miguel]

Who are you to say what fish can be kept and what fish should not?? If you think a 3 meter fish is not suitable then you can just not keep them.. don't tell me or others what we should or should not Keep if they can be legally obtained and properly housed.

I'm not arguing with you and I do not care to..I just personally do not care for anyone telling me what fish I should or should not have and I'm getting overly tired of the absurd over 3 meter gator gar story told by those with little true knowledge of these fish Naturally or in captivity.

I say again...
No species of fish is 'Not suited' for captivity, there are just some people that should not keep them.

I'm not lecturing anyone on this, so you can end your defensive posture.. I'm just giving my opinion in response to yours and this happens to be directly related to this Topic...

No Bichir,you do not give opinions. You profer "learned "statements, you establish doctrine and guidelines, because when it comes to NA Natives you are IT. Surrounded by ignorant morons, you are IT, the "last bottle of water in the desert.

It is not what you type, Bichir, because that is most often interesting, it is the suppressed anger in every keystroke, that permeates, and takes value out, of whatever it is you lecture.

 

[Polypterus]

No Bichir,you do not give opinions. You profer "learned "statements, you establish doctrine and guidelines,

I prefer learned statements as I am a learned individual..I'm not a Newbie to these things.. sorry about that if it upsets you.

I establish doctrine and guidelines based on being learned and having a great deal of experience.. Sorry again...I'm not a Newbie at this and it is not tact or teaching that I specialize in.. it is the ecology and husbandry of fishes and Herps in captivity and in the wild...Take what you will take of it...leave the rest if that suits you...

Call me pompous an ahole, whatever... call me what you will as It does not matter much to me. I am who I am and this is not my medium for socialization. I am very accomplished with what I do and I do not care to 'Chat' or make friends with everyone.. I could care less to mask things of importance just to be 'friendly'..I would not try to pigeonhole me into some mold...I do not fit standard molds well..

With that said we now return to your regularly scheduled nonsense....

 

[Miguel]

I prefer learned statements as I am a learned individual..I'm not a Newbie to these things.. sorry about that if it upsets you.

I establish doctrine and guidelines based on being learned and having a great deal of experience.. Sorry again...I'm not a Newbie at this and it is not tact or teaching that I specialize in.. it is the ecology and husbandry of fishes and Herps in captivity and in the wild...Take what you will take of it...leave the rest if that suits you...

Call me pompous an ***hole, whatever... call me what you will as It does not matter much to me. I am who I am and this is not my medium for socialization. I am very accomplished with what I do and I do not care to 'Chat' or make friends with everyone.. I could care less to mask things of importance just to be 'friendly'..I would not try to pigeonhole me into some mold...I do not fit standard molds well..

With that said we now return to your regularly scheduled nonsense....

I have not called you an ******* Bichir...but you surely act like one. Always wonder the inner makings of keyboard warriors such as you are showing yourself to be..

 

[Polypterus]

What the hell is a "keyboard warrior" ???
Interesting.....but whatever...Enjoy your life Miguel.. I'm really not bothering to get further derail this thread with what is obviously a personal issue of yours..

 

[X24]

well i'm pretty sure this has gone from on topic, to on topic arguing to completely off topic and getting this thread closed.......hmmm seems there has been a lot of that going on lately.

how about we get back on topic.

how can you say things that can go beyond 10 feet in length can belong in aquaria?

not only do they get to 10 feet, but they are built for speed and swim constantly, these guys need a LOT of space.

 

[Miguel]

What the hell is a "keyboard warrior" ???
Interesting.....but whatever...Enjoy your life Miguel.. I'm really not bothering to get further derail this thread with what is obviously a personal issue of yours..

No Bichir, I have no issue, personal or otherwise, with you or anyone ( much less in a place such as this ).

I simply do not like the way you address the issues. I gave an opinion in the thread, and in you "jumped", in an absurdly pompous manner. Now since it was the first time it happened with me ( which is not the case with a lot of people in here ) I just wanted to convey to you that I do not react well to people who have an inflated sense of self , as you manifestly have shown yourself to be.

 

[Polypterus]

how can you say things that can go beyond 10 feet in length can belong in aquaria?

Because I have cared for them personally in aquaria and know them very well...That is why..

You are thinking in a very restricted sense and placing common and typical limitations that the average hobbyist has to the keeping of these fish..
As I have stated:

No species of fish is 'Not suited' for captivity, there are just some people that should not keep them.

Do your research and only keep what you can keep...This is not a difficult concept is it???

 

[X24]

idk how i can get this through to you.

how about this way, its natural habbitat. Muskegon Lake in Michigan houses quite a few alligator gar, its over 4000 acres of water.

i'd say absolute minimum to give a gator gar the life it lives in the wild is atleast one acre, this being atleast 10 feet deep. that would have to be 141940882285 gallons. lets say you don't want to shoot for completely like it would in the wild, but you just want it to remain pretty happy. lets see these guys get 10 feet, they like swimming so i'd give it ateast 7 times it's body length to swim (seems reasonable enough), and it has to turn around so atleast 2 times its length to turn, and of course around 5 feet of depth. 52364 gallons for 1 gator gar. now i know arapaimag has a tank a little bigger then that, but its not those dimensions so even he couldn't keep it to its full potential at close to how it'd be in the wild, and thats only a 10 foot fish. pima's get 15 feet! thats going by alligator gar standards 117818 gallons of water.

mekong catfish get to 9 feet in length, but require much more depth, a tank to house them would have to be 169658 gallons.

now if none of those numbers change your mind, you said and i quote "No species of fish is 'Not suited' for captivity" well how about we just nail this all together.

a whale shark, its the largest fish. lets give him 4 times its length, and only 1.5 times its length to turn around, and of course he can't be out of water so the depth 4 times it's height.

thats, drum roll please: 7,845,568 gallons minimum to keep a whale shark. the georgia aquarium one of the largest, holds only 8 million total. barely enough if it was one big perfectly dimension'ed tank to hold an adult whale shark.

but they do have 2 whale sharks on display, of course they aren't anywhere near full grown.

NOBODY HAS A TANK BIG ENOUGH TO HOLD THE BIGGEST FISH!!!!!!!! that means they are NOT suited for captivity.

there are also other limitations beyond size that keep a fish from being kept in captivity, such as pressure. i could go on and on, but i don't think you'll give in because you are very stubborn.

 

[Polypterus]

Muskegon Lake in Michigan houses quite a few alligator gar, its over 4000 acres of water.

I've fully sampled Muskegon lake it has Longnosed gar..and not that many might I add.....

NOBODY HAS A TANK BIG ENOUGH TO HOLD THE BIGGEST FISH!!!!!!!! that means they are NOT suited for captivity.

Umm what about this is not getting through:
No species of fish is 'Not suited' for captivity, there are just some people that should not keep them.

Do your research and only keep what you can keep...This is not a difficult concept is it???


I can keep Atractosteus spatula can you???? if you can not then just do not...
How hard was that???

 

[X24]

well then, i got a sorce wrong or you got a sample wrong, but thats one lake i've heard has them.

keeping a fish and it being suited for captivity are two different things. i can keep an alligator gar alive in a big tub of water, but it wouldn't be suited for captivity there. an olympic swimming pool would probably be the only way to go to keep an alligator gar in captivity with it being "suited for captivity"

but you can't get a big enough tank to hold a whale shark, and you can't deny that. which if one thing proves a statement wrong, the statement is wrong.

This is not a difficult concept is it?