Innovative and efficient ways for large volume water change

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...is that bad?

I took the extra effort in running a water supply and waste to my tank for my automatic water changer. I also have an up-flow undergravel cleaning system that keeps my gravel clean. The only maintenance that I have to do is change or clean the mechanical filter and feed my fish.
 
ESOX;1124551; said:
WOW!!! Thanks for posting this in here! This definitely looks like something I want to try. My only problem is that here in Phoenix there's no basements. :cry:
I'd have to get really creative on draining.

There aren't any basements here either. Pump up to the attic as in this link...

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55152

...and then add a pump station:
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LiquidWare;1127129; said:
ESOX: I'm in the planning stage to install a similar water changing setup for one of my local PetShop. His system as 2 sets of 12 - 90 Gals on separate filtration.

CHOMPERS;1129753; said:
There aren't any basements here either. Pump up to the attic as in this link...

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55152

...and then add a pump station:
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Hot setup!!! Absolutely perfect for those of us w/o basements,
thanks so much for posting this!!
So how is it working for you and can we get some updated pics of the finished product (water supply/drainage all hooked up)?
How noisy is that sump pump when it goes off?
Is there anything on this project you would have done differently (besides the sump size and draining into the plumbing vent which you previously mentioned)?

BTW...Love the idea of being able to vaccuum right into the sump! :naughty:
 
Keep 'em coming guys. We've seen some seriously radical stuff here. Don't let that discourage you from posting. Even if you're using the tried and true Python or siphoning into (20) five gallon buckets let's post 'em up! This is all about YOU doing your big ass water change and how you do it.
 
rallysman;1127938; said:
from what I understand, carbon won't remove chloramine

Removing Chloramines from Water
Chloramine, which consists of a mixture of chlorine and ammonia, is added to the water of many cities as a substitute for free chlorine. It is often referred to in the plural, as "chloramines," because it can take on a variety of forms according to the pH and mineral content of the water.
The whole removal discussion for chloramines can become quite complex, but the main thing you need to know is that chloramine is removed from water with essentially the same strategies that are used to remove chlorine. This means that carbon filtration is the best removal method, and, contrary to urban legends, filter carbon does indeed remove chloramine. The problem is that it takes more carbon and more contact time to do the job. In practical terms this means that if your city disinfects your tap water with chloramines you'll need to get a larger and better carbon filter than you would need if chlorine alone were used.
You should consider high quality carbon units like Multi-Pure, or double and triple units that use lots of carbon. And, contrary to another widely promoted myth, reverse osmosis units do remove chloramine. In fact, they do it well, because any good RO unit contains a couple of carbon filters and the water gets an extra slow pass through the first one.
In choosing carbon for chloramine removal, a specially prepared carbon called "catalytic" carbon is far superior to regular carbon.
Catalytic carbon is a specifically processed grade of filter carbon that is designed especially for, among other things, exceptional chloramine removal. On our site, the brand name for catalytic carbon is Centaur.
To remove chloramines, look for products in these categories:

Countertop Water Filters -- In our Model 77 countertop, you can request our PW-CEN cartridge for enhanced chloramine reduction. It's made with Centaur catalytic carbon. Double countertop models work better than singles. Multi-Pure countertops are NSF certified for chloramine reduction.
Undersink Water Filters -- In our Black & White undersinks, you can request our PW-CEN cartridge for enhanced chloramine reduction. It's made with Centaur catalytic carbon. Double, triple, and quadruple models work better than singles. The more carbon the better. Multi-Pure undersink units are NSF certified for chloramine reduction.
Reverse Osmosis Units -- Reverse osmosis is especially good at chloramine reduction because of its multiple carbon filters and slow processing speed. You can request a Centaur cartridge in our Black & White reverse osmosis units if you like.
Whole House Carbon Filters -- Carbon blocks filters are good anddouble filters are better than singles, but the unchallenged best chloramine remover is a whole house backwashing Centaur catalytic carbon unit. Sizing for chloramine removal should be larger than what is needed for chlorine.

btw i dont know if it is just carbon i know there is barbon but it is a acrtrige and it does say removes 99% of chlorines, chloramines and sumthin else
 
I fill a 70 gallon rubbermaid container with 82 degree water from a garden hose I run from the bathroom sink. I add water conditioner and run a 900 GPH pump to circulate the water in the rubbermaid bin.

While the water is circulating in the rubbermaid bin, I use a Python to vacuum my gravel (sorry OP, I know you said you didn't want to hear about vacuuming, but to me water changes and vacuuming are one and the same). The waste water (70 Gallons) drains into my backyard.

I then hook up the pump that was circulating the water in the rubbermaid tub to a garden hose and use this to fill my tank.

It takes me about 1 1/2 hours.

The most time consuming part is vacuuming my gravel. I'm in the process of making a DIY monster gravel vac using 1 1/4 ID hose and a 20" long tube with a diameter of 5". This should make vacuuming a lot easier, as I have 18 square feet of gravel to vacuum. The Python's vacuum tube has a diameter of only 1 3/4 inches so increasing this to 5" should allow me to vacuum more surface area in less time. Also, the hose on the Python is only 5/8", so I'm thinking I'm going to save a lot of time with the increased flow from the 1 1/4" hose.
 
I have been running my 1,000G indoor pond with a few monsters it in for half a year now and have slowly refined and improved my water changing routine through the short span of time I've had the pond.

--> I have removed all rocks, petrified wood, broken clay pot, smaller drift wood etc that I had in it and because I noticed that all these decors are excellent hiding space for poop and dirt. All I have now is a giant driftwood in the center and a small pebble bed. My water is much cleaner now.

I have over 300G worth of 50/60g blue drums. I fill 'em up with a Rio 1,000GPH pump that is attached to a PVC pipe that is then attached to a 1" Flexible Hose/Tube that runs out of the house into the line of drum/barrels waiting in the garden. I move the Rio pump around pretty much like you will vacuuming the living room, picking up whatever dirt I see around the pond bed.

I then bring the garden hose and temporarily attach it to the top of my DIY W/D Trickle Filter and let the replacement water drip in, takes around 8-10 hours. I don't use dechlor as the 6 foot drop into the same spot where the outlet of my sump comes out pretty much take care of the chlorine. I then tell the house hold help to water the garden plants with the water in the drum and to close the faucet when the water is full (benefits of living in a 3rd world country).

Takes me around 30 mins to change 300G or so. Not bad eh?

My nitrates are around 10-15ppm after my last water change the other day.
 
MeAko;3776871; said:
I have been running my 1,000G indoor pond with a few monsters it in for half a year now and have slowly refined and improved my water changing routine through the short span of time I've had the pond.

--> I have removed all rocks, petrified wood, broken clay pot, smaller drift wood etc that I had in it and because I noticed that all these decors are excellent hiding space for poop and dirt. All I have now is a giant driftwood in the center and a small pebble bed. My water is much cleaner now.

I have over 300G worth of 50/60g blue drums. I fill 'em up with a Rio 1,000GPH pump that is attached to a PVC pipe that is then attached to a 1" Flexible Hose/Tube that runs out of the house into the line of drum/barrels waiting in the garden. I move the Rio pump around pretty much like you will vacuuming the living room, picking up whatever dirt I see around the pond bed.

I then bring the garden hose and temporarily attach it to the top of my DIY W/D Trickle Filter and let the replacement water drip in, takes around 8-10 hours. I don't use dechlor as the 6 foot drop into the same spot where the outlet of my sump comes out pretty much take care of the chlorine. I then tell the house hold help to water the garden plants with the water in the drum and to close the faucet when the water is full (benefits of living in a 3rd world country).

Takes me around 30 mins to change 300G or so. Not bad eh?

My nitrates are around 10-15ppm after my last water change the other day.
Does the chlorinated water run through your wet dry tower ?
 
Nothing fancy here for me. I just use the 25ft Aquaria Vac hook it up to my kitchen faucet and turn the water on and I leave the water running for more suction power. I live in a condo so water bill is no issue here cuz water is included in the utilities. Vac gravel then while draining magfloat glass then refill with primed tap water, takes me about 25 minutes to do a 50% wc on my 225g.
 
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