interest in glowing cichlids

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You will not replace dyed fish with these like you said it is not financially smart to do it this way. This will just be yet another mutant fish at your LFS along with the Dyed,Cut,Hybrid,and inbreed you will also have these.

It is not hard to see where profit comes in to play a normal convict or JD is around 2 bucks he plans on selling these for 10 to 20 that will be a huge mark up sounds like profit to me. Sure it will take a couple batch's of mutants to replace his original 5,000 dollar investment but no business venture starts off in the green.

I think it is more important to think about if it is morally correct to do this to the fish then it is to think about if it is scientifically or financially possible. But the fact being he asked "who here would BUY glowing cichlids" suggests to me he wants to make a profit.
 
I dunno if its right or wrong but yea if you made glowing cichlids people would buy them. I can just see it now, the lfs selling neon Os and cons.
 
at first i thought it was a cool idea, but after seeing the picture on the page abovr, it doesnt seem so hot. a neon GT would be cool though
 
To me all these modifications, either done physically like dying, injecting, etc. or done genetically like your idea just cheapens the hobby. With advances in technology currently and to come there's always going to be new and interesting ways to change things or make them better but that doesnt mean it should be done. Once these glo cichlids are created it's only a matter of time before someone else comes up with something even more exciting. The result will be 50 years from now when i'm buying my grandchildren their first tank i'm going to be looking at glowing, flaming, flying superfish and the monster fish i once kept will be nowhere to be found in the hobby.
 
meh we can babble for ages about the pros and cons. Hybrids and selective breeding, in theory selective breeding happens in nature the stronger over the weaker etc etc. But to the "glowing cichlids" thing you are brainstorming, i disagree that glowing fish will be the fall down to dying and mutulating fish. I think it will infact increase both. You'll be getting mutulated glowing fish, with parts of it dyed so that parts wont glow and so you can spell things out etc in the dark, but thats my prediction. I think its very interesting that we can do these things but one thing always comes to mind and thats WHY ARE WE CHANGING LIFEFORMS, no matter how cruel or uncruel they are. what is the point? if you want to do these things, why dont you make a robot or something and then you can 100% custom design it. i dont think there is need for changing something just for human consumption. its a no for me, i wouldnt buy this fish.
 
I have two responses to quotes recently. One, to the most recent, injuring the fish to spell out words is scientifically inpossible with the type of modification that i am talking about. It is difficult to adequately defend myself without getting too deep into the technical stuff, but if the fish was injured, the new scar tissue would simply regrow with the same appearance as the original, as the mosification is to all localized cells, which would divide asexually to repair the wound. Also, as to the perservering idea that I am only in this for the money, there is little to say but to repeat myself in saying No I am not. I think that focusing this sort of judgement on the semantics of my post title is somewhat of a weak argument upon which to make a condemnation of my actions and upon which to contradict a direct statement of mine.
 
sorry if i didnt make clear, i meant in they way you can dye fish to spell things, u no like 'i love you', crap like that. just thought it might be possible to maybe dye a glowing fish the same way they dye regular fish, and the dye would be stained on top of whatever makes it glow therefore making it appear black or watever so the glow would be around the words. anyway thats kinda irrelavent. i just wondered why people are interested in doing stuff like this. and why can't we do it too humans? if its perfectly harmless, why have i never heard of a human glowing, as i've heard of pigs and suchforth. i still think it will inhance people wanting to buy 'unnatural' fish, and i completely understand what you are thinking of doing etc, i just dont understand the point of it. then again i'm sure theres hundreds of people that think that us keeping fish in captivity is a bad thing also....
 
also, just a general statement to make about the gist of some posts. I have noticed that many posts assert that the creation of a genetically modified fish will result in the eradication of natural strains completely, and occasional it has been asserted that this eradication is in fact the goal of genetic modification. Recently the sustainability of GMOs in the world has been seriously questioned, and it is the priority of most experimental geneticists (myself included) to find a way that GMOs can coexist without damaging the local biosphere, or the possiblity has been raised that certain GMOS can be used to restore the environment non-detrimentally. I believe that I said on a previous post that the fish would most likely be triploid offspring created from the mating of two normal parents with recessive genes, posing no danger to the environment.

also, in an aside. When I was researching this experiment, I also considered attempting to create fish resistant to the dyeing process, i.e. they had a special gene allowing them to expel the contents of their cell vacuoles, in which the dye is stored. However, this is above my level of expertise as it requires the creation and integration of a new gene. Along with the high possibility of being impossible, those with the skill to accomplish this are hardly interested in the well being of fish. However, were I able to to do this, and were I to complete it successfully, it would have NO outward appearance, offer NO possibility of profit to me, require MASSIVE PRIVATE EXPENDITURES in order to saturate the market with these fish, and possibly require me to type in ALL CAPS because i am too lazy to use the italics button. Do you all see any difference here, and what is it? I ask out of curiosity.

oh, and people don't glow because it requires human embryonic manipulation, and you know what a hornet's nest that stirs up
 
No matter how many big words you use the bottom line is you still have not given a valid reason to modify the fish besides for your own personal gain. I have said several times it does not matter if it is technically or financially possible to me it is a question of morality.

I would no more approve of the dye "resistant" fish than the glowing ones the humans are the beings that need to be "altered" by educating them about harming a living creature with a Soul to make a profit the fish are fine the way they are.

You are only contradicting yourself in saying who would buy glowing cichlids and then saying I don't care about money. It would be impossible for me to contradict you since you have made a contradicting statement already.That is like betting 5 dollars on the bulls to beat the pistons and then betting 5 dollars on the pistons to beat the bulls and then claiming you won. :screwy:

So.... quit with all the Mumbo Jumbo and tell me "WHY" you want to make glowing cichlids and what you hope to accomplish that would be in interest of anything but yourself.

As for glowing people what makes us so much better than fish? Would anyone here volunteer their child to make it "glow" I bet that would be a short line of perspective buyers
 
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