Is the human race weakening?

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Is the human race weakening

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I think that this thread has brought up some really disgusting views about the value of life, and I feel that those who have posted some of the more horrific posts need to either experience more in life, have been way too lucky not to have someone close to them struggle with a handicap or disease, or they are just missing some key part of their soul. Not to sound too harsh but some of these statements have made my jaw drop a little. Personality traits are in your genes too and can be handed down all the same maybe we should not pass the sociopathic genes down.

I get the moderate viewpoint but guess where did all of the inferior genes came from ....our ancestors, and they got passed on still didn't they, even when we were primitive enough to do something as horrid as leave hairlip/ or deformed babies out in the cold.

genetic mutations and defects will always be presenting new problems to overcome and its how we evolve as well. I agree that people do not rough it enough anymore, take medications far more than is needed. However I am all for medical advancements for those that need help and can be provided with a quality of life.

I have a five year old that was born with an extra urer which caused reflux into one of his kidneys, it required an operation to correct. Are we saying that he should not be allowed to have children because of this?
 
Lepisosteus platyrhincus;3787734; said:
but it does mean that those genes are out there. now allergys arnt always passed on but sometimes they are. so now we have an allergy that is truly detrimental.

over all, people tend to agree with me. we rely on machines so much that we are weakening our gene pool and just setting our selves up for a royal screw up(to put it politly) we have all our kids survive which is great. but that also means inferior genes get passed on.
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what you dont take into account, is our technology will continue to grow and assist people with the problems. eventually these problems probably wont even effect people anymore. probably we will eventually be able to remove these genetic flaws from peoples dna.
 
I didn't read the whole thread but thought I'd point out a few things.

1) A lot of this is "good old days" syndrome. People have been complaining about how folks these days are just lower quality than they were a generation back since at least the Odyssey of Homer and the Theogony of Hesiod- two of the earliest surviving works of European literature- as well as parts of the Old Testament.

2) Increased genetic diversity- which the treatment of formerly fatal genetic conditions promotes- is often more important to a species' long-term survival than is prevalence of "superior" genes. Conditions which are debilitating in current situations may be beneficial in some other situation. Then you get into things like heterozygote advantage (e.g., carriers of sickle cell anemia are resistant to malaria).

3) Genetically "defective" people have a lot to offer from a social standpoint, but may also have a lot to offer from a genetic standpoint. A person with, say, a genetic heart defect may also have genes for disease resistance, or superior brainpower, or what have you.

4) Genetic culling could be a slippery slope. It may start off as culls of severe retardation and lethal heart defects, but where does it stop? Shortness? Hyperactivity? Bad hair? Eugenics is morally dubious at best, and downright scary at worst.

5) Re: interfering with natural selection, we aren't. Genetic change tends not to occur in large populations under stable conditions (as we currently are). It happens in small, reproductively isolated populations and new selective pressures- things which could happen in the aftermath of a catastrophe, for example, or following planetary colonization. If we encounter such a situation, a robust genetic pool will be more important than a small pool of genes that performed well under the old conditions (see points 2 and 3 above).
 
Nicely put Noto
 
yes it was.

now some of us, there are some that are going looney on this thread, but most of us arnt sayin we need to cull the herd so to speak, more of pointing out we invest so much time and energy into fixing these problems and allowing them to be passed on. sounds horrible and i dont mean it to sound like that. i really dont.
but i mean, we now have people allergic to COLD!?!?!?!
there are people that have absolutly no melanin so a simple common household light bulb burns them and gives them skin cancer!
i just was pointing out that we now save people that have problems that in nature would never be able to exist.
the whole thought of evolution is that one is born with something new and unique and it survies and passes those genes on. those who develop something that doesnt work, that one dies and those genes do not get passed on. thus allowing that species to evolve and survive. we instead are allowing less and less of that to happen and keeping everything alive and all genes allowed to pass on. thus we are basicly stepping backwards in evolution instead of forward.

note* im not a bad person. i dont believe in killing the weak or anything like that. just sayin.
 
i have to throw this in the mix

My wife and I are healthy, we have 8 kids 7 of whom are healthy and for some reason my one son has asthma exercise induced, he has the skin condition where is gets somewhat scaley and is itchy but can be calmed down with the proper salves, he has also developed seizures for the past 2 years that the hospital and doctors can not find a reason for all scans show as normal.

He one time asked me why he is the only person in the family who seems to have been afflicted with these things. It seems so unfair that only one of my kids (9 yr old at this time) has to deal with these maladies. I told him it was because he is a very special boy and in the days to come as he grows up it will become very clear how special.

In his school, he gets teased so much by the other students that we have since pulled him out and will be home schooling him. What is really funny is that his mental faculties border on brilliant and he is always inventing things. He just seems to get so bored with the pace of school. I seem to remember that a certain person called albert einstien was kicked out of school because they thought he was stupid.

So if the thoughts of some on this thread were true my son is a non valued human being because he has some things that have come to be in his life. If the thoughts of this thread were followed to course, we would just let him pass. More than one time his 02 levels dropped so bad that we thought we were gonna lose him, and he had to be rushed to the emergency so that they could do agressive treatment to make sure he did not basically suffocate.

Should we just allow this weaker person to pass.

HELL NO!!!!!!

That is what makes mankind different from animals. Even though some animals may be but percentage points away from being as we are genetically it does not mean that we are animals. Because margarine is one molecule away from being plastic does it mean that it is plastic.

This is the wonderous beauty of mankind, we have the ability to prevent things, to overcome things!
 
sry to hear about him. im not saying to not let those genes pass, just pointing out that genes that are "different" in a not quite good way, are being passed into the gene pool.

but as humans we can treat and help those things!! and that is good. but because of those genes, i honostly feel that we are slowly tainting our gene pool and leading to our demise. we are leaving our selves open for some many things to wipe us out. i honostly think that maybe 1000 or 2000 years humans will not be around. maybe a bit longer but not too much.


BTW congrats on kid 8!! that is freakin awesome!! i could never do it. lol im aiming for 3. lol

p.s. have u got his IQ tested? u can get it done already!!
 
Lepisosteus platyrhincus;3788894; said:
. i honostly think that maybe 1000 or 2000 years humans will not be around. maybe a bit longer but not too much.
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i bet you 5,000 ghost dollars humans will still be around in 4010( excluding cosmic disasters like a meteors)
 
lol. ur on
 
meghanashley;3787875; said:
I think that this thread has brought up some really disgusting views about the value of life, and I feel that those who have posted some of the more horrific posts need to either experience more in life, have been way too lucky not to have someone close to them struggle with a handicap or disease, or they are just missing some key part of their soul. Not to sound too harsh but some of these statements have made my jaw drop a little. Personality traits are in your genes too and can be handed down all the same maybe we should not pass the sociopathic genes down.

I get the moderate viewpoint but guess where did all of the inferior genes came from ....our ancestors, and they got passed on still didn't they, even when we were primitive enough to do something as horrid as leave hairlip/ or deformed babies out in the cold.

genetic mutations and defects will always be presenting new problems to overcome and its how we evolve as well. I agree that people do not rough it enough anymore, take medications far more than is needed. However I am all for medical advancements for those that need help and can be provided with a quality of life.

I have a five year old that was born with an extra urer which caused reflux into one of his kidneys, it required an operation to correct. Are we saying that he should not be allowed to have children because of this?
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its not that we're not allowed to have children like that,its that "in nature" the weaker,or deformed,would have died off.
im not saying it SHOULD happen,neither am i saying it should not happen.
i just think that people are too over-reliant on medicine and all that.
 
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